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Old 05-15-2006, 06:02 AM     Post subject: Interesting overpair situation....what would you do? #1 (permalink)  
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This is at B2B....play has ranged from fishy loose to super tight preflop. The player in question I don't have a great read on, I've seen him make a couple bad plays, but haven't labeled him as awful yet. I checked the Kings in the BB for a few reasons- one in an attempt to trap, and the fact that I was quite content to fold it if I didn't like the flop...and for the obvious reason that noone will put me on KK checking in BB.
So what do you guys think? I can post results later if there's an interest.

Game # 329249382 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 0,50/1,00 - Table "Barcelona"
Game ended 2006-05-15 07:43:55 GMT+01:00

Players:
nickzor (EUR 47,20 in seat 1)
Henitruk5 (EUR 128,15 in seat 2)
fastball_J (EUR 30,10 in seat 3)
b99999s (EUR 31,10 in seat 4)
Ravageur2 (EUR 64,92 in seat 6)
topslop (EUR 53,60 in seat 7)
tomorrow (EUR 93,30 in seat 8)

Dealer: fastball_J
Small Blind: b99999s (0,50)
Big Blind: Ravageur2 (1,00)

Ravageur2 was dealt: Kc - Kd

topslop Fold
tomorrow Fold
nickzor Call (1,00)
Henitruk5 Fold
fastball_J Fold
b99999s Call (0,50)
Ravageur2 Check

Flop 8c - 2s - 5c

b99999s Check
Ravageur2 Check
nickzor Bet (1,00)
b99999s All-In (30,10)
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:13 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Gotta raise PF. Use your lagg image to suck people in with crap hands. I don't think any preflop hand is good enough to check in the BB in an attempt to trap. You want to get as much money in the pot while you know you are a favorite before you become out of position for the rest of the hand.

As played this is an easy call IMO. He only bought in for 30bb so he probably sucks. Sucky players don't play sets this fast generally. He has a draw/lesser overpair/8x a massive percentage of the time here. The preflop action suggests set but it could even more easily be 99-JJ.
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:23 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Wow Rent. The call is THAT easy for you simply based on buy-in amount?

Hmmm. I think I am giving people much credit. If it's me I seriously consider folding here... and expect to be 60-40 at best vs pair plus flush draw etc... or draw plus over etc...

Guess I gotta log a few more hundred thousand hands in the ring before situations like this creep out of marginality into simply +EV plays.

Other thing I haven't mentioned is that I have seen numerous shorties buying in and waiting for nutz nonetheless before pushing...
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:29 AM     Post subject: 99 times out of 100 i raise that.. #4 (permalink)  
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Yeah you're right of course...BUT...
It's fun and interesting to mix it up sometimes, and in this case it put me probably in a situation to bust some dood that i probably would not have been had I punished them preflop. Also...most of them don't notice my LAG style (which has been toned down lately anyway) enough that they pay me off with my big hands (the main problem playing at these limits i imagine).
Anyway, I did of course call the dood's shove.
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:30 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 and he had a set
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:31 AM #6 (permalink)  
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the situation would be much less interesting (read: difficult to play) if you had raised preflop. never let trash hands get away with seeing a cheap flop.

oh and why not bet the flop? It's pretty close to ideal for KK...
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:32 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 I don't like mixing it up out of position. I generally like to play a very straight forward value betting game from the blinds.
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wow between my reading renton's first reply and posting my own, like 3 more responses came up...
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:41 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Game # 329249382 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 0,50/1,00 - Table "Barcelona"
Game ended 2006-05-15 07:43:55 GMT+01:00

Players:
nickzor (EUR 47,20 in seat 1)
Henitruk5 (EUR 128,15 in seat 2)
fastball_J (EUR 30,10 in seat 3)
b99999s (EUR 31,10 in seat 4)
Ravageur2 (EUR 64,92 in seat 6)
topslop (EUR 53,60 in seat 7)
tomorrow (EUR 93,30 in seat 8)

Dealer: fastball_J
Small Blind: b99999s (0,50)
Big Blind: Ravageur2 (1,00)

Ravageur2 was dealt: Kc - Kd

topslop Fold
tomorrow Fold
nickzor Call (1,00)
Henitruk5 Fold
fastball_J Fold
b99999s Call (0,50)
Ravageur2 Check

Flop 8c - 2s - 5c

b99999s Check
Ravageur2 Check
nickzor Bet (1,00)
b99999s All-In (30,10)
Ravageur2 All-In (63,92)
nickzor Fold
Ravageur2 Payback (33,82)

Turn 8c - 2s - 5c - 3s
River 8c - 2s - 5c - 3s - 7c

b99999s shows: 8s - Jc (a pair of eights)
Ravageur2 shows: Kc - Kd (a pair of kings)

Ravageur2 wins: EUR 61,20 (with a pair of kings)
Rake: EUR 3,00


Anyway, the guy ended up being an idiot. But regardless, interesting to hear your opinion Rent. Thanks for the feedback.
Now I just need to stop throwing away my winnings when I get big by paying off sets.
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:42 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 LOL just realized that I have a read on this guy (in hindsight - see results of 2nd post and check out villain

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...post-35048.htm
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:43 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Other thing I haven't mentioned is that I have seen numerous shorties buying in and waiting for nutz nonetheless before pushing...
Yes campers do exist. Catch them in the act and make a note.
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Old 05-15-2006, 07:27 AM #12 (permalink)  
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wow between my reading renton's first reply and posting my own, like 3 more responses came up...
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