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Old 12-23-2005, 06:26 AM     Post subject: interesting hand from earlier tonight #1 (permalink)  
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In this hand villain is 27/8.3 (VP$IP, PFR) over about 350 hands from PT. Thinking about this afterwards, when I was trying to learn from the hand, got me pretty confused. To be perfectly honest I totally didn't notice the suit of the turn card. BUT, even if i had recognized it for what it was, I'm not sure if I would have played this hand any differently (aside from raising the flop pretty hard).

Thoughts? Brutally honest opinions?

oh and this is my first hand history post so I hope it works out properly.

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MP3 ($46.90)
CO ($53.75)
Button ($79.84)
SB (Villain) ($84.25)
BB ($43.55)
UTG ($51.65)
Hero ($49.25)
UTG+2 ($39.70)
MP1 ($42.70)
MP2 ($0)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, Q. SB (Villain) posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, UTG+2 calls $1.25, MP1 calls $1.25, 3 folds, SB (Villain) (poster) calls $1, 1 fold.

Flop: ($5.50) K, K, 6 (5 players)
Villain bets $1, Hero calls $1, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds.

Turn: ($7.50) 4 (3 players)
Villain bets $4, Hero raises to $9, Villain calls $5.

River: ($25.50) T (3 players)
Villain bets $2, Hero raises to $13, Villain calls $11.

Final Pot: $51.50

Results in white below:
Villain has 2s As (flush, ace high).
Hero has Kd Qd (three of a kind, kings).
MP2 doesn't show.
Outcome: Villain wins $51.50.
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:17 AM #2 (permalink)  
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why just call the flop? Thats not the sort of flop i like to slowplay. You raised before the flop. I think you can get away with a bet here and he'll probably call it with the flush draw anyway. If hes a bit of a fish then put close to the pot in.
I think its pretty important to notice the flush is out here. I think id probably just call on the river.
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:25 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Actually I don't like any street. Personally I limp this hand at a full table from EP. I don't like the flop call and hate the turn and river raise. On the flop you have to protect your hand. Sure you have trips but if is very vulnurable to a flush. His weak bet to me seems like he wants to see the turn for cheap. On the turn I'm definately not raising when the draw completes. His weak river bet screams "please raise me!" Good for you the board was paired. If it wasn't he probably would have reraised you so that saved you money.
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Old 12-23-2005, 12:32 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I raise this pre-flop too. KQs is a good hand and belongs in a strong raising range. However, against unaware passive opponents I can see limping here too.

I raise flop and call river without more information.

$1 into a $5.50 isn't a bet, it's a failure to make a decision. Thank him for paying the rake and make a real raise.

Make sure to note that this guy tips post-flop. Weak=weak, strong=stong, weak donk-bets draws into the PFR, blocking bets rivers.
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:01 PM #5 (permalink)  
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All the comments so far make a lot of sense. Fnord - what exactly do you mean by saying he blocking bets the river?
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:17 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by mb2447
All the comments so far make a lot of sense. Fnord - what exactly do you mean by saying he blocking bets the river?
Making a small bet with a medium-strong hand to:
Draw a call from a weaker hand
Discourage a weaker hand from putting you to a difficult decision
Discourage a stronger hand from extracting more value.
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:52 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Preflop: Doesn't really matter too much here IMO. I can see arguments for a limp, fold, or raise. If you are going to raise here though, I'd take it to 3-4x. I personally like a limp or raise here, depending on the table.

Flop: ..............raise. Terrible call.

Turn and river: Just call. Raising with only trips on a paired, 3 flush board just doesn't make much sense here, IMO. The $2 bet on the river is an absolute gift.
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:13 PM #8 (permalink)  
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The blocking bet is sometimes a great way for you to get a cheap showdown. I've had many similar situations where I seem to take the blocking bet over a bet. A better hand will call your raise and a weaker one will fold.
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