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spoonitnow

12-11-2007, 02:59 PM Post subject: Improved? More stats blah blah $100nl etc

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*My low UTG winnings is variance. PokerEV shows that I'm behind almost 2 buyins in AIs from what I would be on average there. Also, the winrate figure is in PTBB/100, not regular bb/100.

My previous stats post was from a long stretch of breakevenish poker where I couldn't figure out what was going on. The first time I looked back at the thread, before even reading any responses, I noticed that my W$WSF was really low, and it surprised me that after studying my stats for a couple of hours that I hadn't noticed that fairly simple fact. This led to some fairly simple adjustments and now I'm doing much better.

So here I feel like I need to work on my blinds a bit. As per Renton's suggestions in the other thread, I've started being more active from the blinds against steals but I'm not sure if I'm being quite active enough.

So as always, all comments and suggestions are welcomed and appreciated.

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BankItDrew

12-12-2007, 05:18 PM

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Congratulations on the improvement spoon!

First of all, I've played 17k hands thus far on PT so I'll do a lil comparison with mine. I'm amazed at how high your PF and Flop AF's are. My Pf is 0.88 and my Flop Af is 3.23. I somehow think that I should be raising more preflop than limping, and being more aggressive on the flop... but who knows, I'll post my stats sometime this month, but this thread is yours and I won't hijack it lol.

One thing I'd like to ask is about your BB first in raising %. Why 0? are you slowplaying everything from there? At first glance I think you should be more aggressive from there with your big hands. Maybe it's just coincidence that it hasn't happened yet, or maybe I'm reading it wrong, who knows, I'm really new with PT so don't expect much in the way of my stat break-down.

Two other big differences between our games are:
1) Fold BB to steal %. I have mine down to around 73%. So maybe some blind defense is in order?
2) Another thing that has worked for me is calling from the sb with a half bet to go. I think this % of yours is too low for this category.

Your attempt to steal blinds % is 10 higher than mine. How has this worked out for you? I think this is a great stat of yours, something that I'll try to get in on.

Well, you're definitly more aggressive than I am preflop overall. I hope any of this helps.

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12-12-2007, 06:15 PM

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One thing I'd like to ask is about your BB first in raising %. Why 0? are you slowplaying everything from there? At first glance I think you should be more aggressive from there with your big hands. Maybe it's just coincidence that it hasn't happened yet, or maybe I'm reading it wrong, who knows, I'm really new with PT so don't expect much in the way of my stat break-down.

Drew this is nearly always 0% because even if the SB completes PT counts that as 'first in'.
The only time its not 0% is if someone posts the BB OOP, checks, then its folded round to player in BB, who then raises.

Nice improvement on the stats/play spoon. I'm thinking of taking up FR soon, thats why I'm lurking round here lol.

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12-12-2007, 07:13 PM

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ohhhhhhhhh! thanks

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12-12-2007, 07:47 PM

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About the first in from the BB thing, there's hands where it's been limped to me with AA and I've raised so I think Taxi's right on that one.

With the attempt to steal blinds % thing, I'd almost bet that I'm tighter than you are in EP and make up for it by being looser in LP. Also I'm becoming really, really rough on limpers and tight players in the blinds.

My blind defense numbers are pretty bad, and over the past couple weeks, with a lot of help from the comments in my last stats thread (ty Renton), I've come to realize that most of the TAggs at PokerStars 100nl have similar stats in the blinds, so they're so exploitable it's pathetic.

For a quick example of why my blind defense numbers are so bad, If the BB and SB have a 85% fold BB and SB to steal, respectively, then if you open from the button with ATC there's a 72.25% chance that neither of them will call. There's 1.5bb on the table, so if I raise to 4bb, I have to win 72.72% of the time to break even. That's damn near break even, even if I never win the hand after they call.

This is a part of my game that I've been trying to work on. More and more I'll 3bet people from the blinds and call/open flop. I've had exams and a lot of school stuff so these hands were really from the first few days of the month, but for the past week I've been looking a lot at scenarios in the blinds and I think I've got some good ideas.

I might not be balancing enough preflop and on the flop but we'll see how it goes.

And yeah, I'm kinda rambling on and on so this post is sort of long but I don't care cuz it's my thread so fuck y'all.

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12-12-2007, 08:27 PM

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I kinda doubt these monetary improvements are indicative of nothing other than variance. I'm on a 30k b/e stretch, and that's nothing compared to some others.

As for high blind stealing, blind defense, and punishing limpers; I know that's the trend here, but I'm still unconvinced. The more I steal, the more I get played back at; the more I defend, the more I am in difficult situations; the more I raise limpers, the more I find they like the hand they limped.
We should do non of this as much as 6maxers. I don't know what those number are exactly, but 40% blind steal and 70% fold to steal is 6max stats I think. Fullring may have more folders, but it also has better hands seeing flops.

spoonitnow

12-12-2007, 09:42 PM

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I know that I'm getting more value in more spots than I was before and this has been a big help. I used my database from just this month, but there's another 15k or so hands on the tail-end of last month that aren't included in either thread but have very similar stats (including win-rate) to the ones shown in this one. Variance happens, but I'm sure that I'm playing better than I have before.

Also, a blind steal situation in FR is the exact same as 6-max so it's not fair to say X is good for FR and Y is good for 6-max on those particular stats.

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As for high blind stealing, blind defense, and punishing limpers; I know that's the trend here, but I'm still unconvinced. The more I steal, the more I get played back at; the more I defend, the more I am in difficult situations; the more I raise limpers, the more I find they like the hand they limped.

Who cares? +EV is +EV.

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12-12-2007, 10:47 PM

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Actually, a blind steal in fr isn't the same as 6max due to the higher likelyhood of the blinds having better hands since there have been more folds. The difference is probably kinda trivial, though.

My point was that the differences my not be +ev. Nothing is static, and adaptations must be made. Adapting to loose players is much easier than adapting to tight players who're adapting to loose players. The more you do certain stuff, the lower your edge becomes. Gauging ev preflop is pretty hard since ev seems to come from making hands and postflop play.

I have really good LP results with antipodal styles. I have not seen a difference yet between 25% asb and 45% asb. I'm not saying don't do it or it's bad, I'm saying I'm not convinced it's best.

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