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daven
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09-17-2008, 10:26 AM
Post subject: importance of non all-in hands?
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I'm trying to figure out how best to improve my game and my winrate. Especially before moving up to stakes where the $$ may start to affect me
I'm realising more and more that hands that get allin before the river are about races, coolers, and dominating fish (or being the dominated fish  ) Here are my results this year for hands that had all the action over before the river... I tend to get it in ok.
My question is: where should I focus my attention to improve my game?
Thoughts?
two things stand out for me
1) online poker probably isn't rigged, I'm running pretty damn close to EV - even when it sometimes feels that all the fish suck out on me, I conveniently forget the times that I hit my outs...
2) that these hands are probably not where I need to focus my attention - Fnord alludes to this a lot when he talks of the importance of non-monster hands
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The non all-in hands are important. Especially when you're NOT going all when beat!
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Miffed22001
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Id think analysis of where you are losing money is more important.
theres a great post for PT2 that i can link you to for analysis of that but you'd have to play with the HM settings to get the same (unless someone already wrote it ofc)
http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...45&page=0&vc=1
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Squeaky_Midget1
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gosam
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Those are the hands that went allin and got called, so it's normal VPIP is that high. shouldn't it be 100% though?
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Fnord
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For 6 max my blind results and W$WSF are pretty darn important to me.
I also keep an eye on suited connector + one gapper performance from 46s to J9s and A2s-A9s (filtered for VP$IP!!!!) since those hands play an important role in my over-all game plan.
Cold call vs 3-bet of non premiums.
Button opens with non-premiums.
Stuff like that. Big pots handle themselves.
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daven
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
Id think analysis of where you are losing money is more important.
theres a great post for PT2 that i can link you to for analysis of that but you'd have to play with the HM settings to get the same (unless someone already wrote it ofc)
http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...45&page=0&vc=1 |
true, \I haven't looked at that post for a while. I'm keeping PT3 up to date with the hands I'm playing too, but the more I use HEM the less I imagine this is worthwhile....
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Robb
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What fnord said, especially that the big hands take care of themselves.
Also, a lot of the small-ball hands take care of themselves, as well. My biggest leak is probably dealing with small-ball hands (blind steals, 3-betting vs. blind steals) that get called down, where I play a medium-sized pot with/against huge ranges.
I feel comfortable in most 20 bb hands, and in most 80+ bb hands. But I lose my way in 50 bb hands. Those are the hands I filter for and look at.
Good luck moving up, btw.
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Fnord
For 6 max my blind results and W$WSF are pretty darn important to me.
I also keep an eye on suited connector + one gapper performance from 46s to J9s and A2s-A9s (filtered for VP$IP!!!!) since those hands play an important role in my over-all game plan.
Cold call vs 3-bet of non premiums.
Button opens with non-premiums.
Stuff like that. Big pots handle themselves.
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question for the oracle:
what am i doing wrong fi i feel my biggest leak is how i play 20-40bbs pots (i.e im not winning enough of them)
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
what am i doing wrong fi i feel my biggest leak is how i play 20-40bbs pots (i.e im not winning enough of them)
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Not hitting the flop often enough? (particularly sets)
C-betting too much?
Opening too big?
Not counting all of the smaller pots you're taking down. You're going to lose a bigger pot when you get caught with your hand in the cookie-jar.
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Renton
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its all important, get better at everything
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Originally Posted by Renton
its all important, get better at everything
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Oh, so that's what I was doing wrong. I must have been not trying to get better at everything.
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
what am i doing wrong fi i feel my biggest leak is how i play 20-40bbs pots (i.e im not winning enough of them)
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Not counting all of the smaller pots you're taking down. You're going to lose a bigger pot when you get caught with your hand in the cookie-jar. |
I never thought of this but it makes sense.
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daven
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Originally Posted by Renton
its all important, get better at everything
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true... i'll do my best not to forget this. But, I do like working on only one or two things at a time!
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Originally Posted by Fnord
C-betting too much?
Opening too big?
Not counting all of the smaller pots you're taking down. You're going to lose a bigger pot when you get caught with your hand in the cookie-jar.
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the first is something I already had to fix.
The second is something I need to think about.
The third is gold - say I semi-bluff to win ten 20bb pots, then lose a 40bb pot when i get called out. I'm ok with that.
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