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Old 12-10-2005, 06:54 PM     Post subject: I'm playing like a donk. #1 (permalink)  
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I'm on a huge downswing, and I don't know what's going on. Some bad beats, but some bad plays.

Anyway, what's your flop play here?

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UTG+2 ($117.87)
MP1 ($269.80)
MP2 ($14.05)
MP3 ($49.78)
CO ($100.85)
Button ($95)
Hero ($99)
BB ($99)
UTG ($101.55)
UTG+1 ($230.20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, Q. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $1, 2 folds, MP3 calls $1, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, Hero (poster) raises to $4.5, 1 fold, UTG+2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls $4.

Flop: ($14) T, J, 9 (2 players)

The hand converter sucks, so I bet 12 here and got miraised. Also, what's your read on the guy?
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Old 12-10-2005, 09:37 PM #2 (permalink)  
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i hate folding to minraises. you have at least 4 clean outs and due to his minraise i say you have another 4. (8 and K)

youre getting about 3:1 on the call, and youre about 5:1 to hit your straight (and a pair MIGHT be good). i think with value bets from implied odds i can find a call here if for nothing else but to help my table image.

then again, the board is 2 suited so he might have a strong enough draw to put you quite far behind. i dont mind either folding or calling here honestly. calling would be better for table image that you dont get pushed off hands as easily (less attempts at bluffing you) and folding would obviously be the safer play for your stack.

edit: whyd you bet full pot on the flop with one opponent?
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Old 12-11-2005, 12:16 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Your getting a little over 4-1 on your money, because of the size of your betand the fact he minraised i dont think he is on the flush draw or has a set.
His play here is very risky unless he has a lock hand and because of this reason i actually feel he may have the kq of spades and has the straight and is drawing to the flush/staright flush.
I personally dont really like the preflop play. I feel you have to raise more that the amount you did because of your poor position post flop and the fact so many people limped. I would probabably raise to $7
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Old 12-11-2005, 12:19 AM #4 (permalink)  
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i fold by the way
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Old 12-11-2005, 12:39 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I'd limp AQo out of position or raise to $7-8 to really thin the field and let them know you mean business. After he calls you I fold to the min-raise. First you need to be a detective and look at the pre-flop action. He limped in on the button with several other limpers and called a raise. KQ, 99, and TT all look to be possibilities, and you're in bad shape to all three. He would probably raise JJ here. I think a flush draw is also likely in this spot. In any case, you're out of position with ace high facing a min-raise that most likely indicates real strenth. If he does have a flush draw, he also has live card outs as well. Cut your losses and get out now.
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Old 12-11-2005, 12:49 AM #6 (permalink)  
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We can't have a read on this guy after reading a half a hand but you have to call the min raise on the flop because you are getting odds to do so. The turn card will decide if you can continue or not.
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Old 12-11-2005, 02:08 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Ugh. Ugly spot here. Why not just take a cheap flop here instead of raising out of the SB w/AQo? And I don't think you need to make a full pot bet here. Bet $7-8. I think it accomplishes the same thing a PSB does. As you played it though I think it's an easy fold. Your A and Q outs are verly likely not live and you could be drawing only to a King if villian has KQ. Qs9s, a set, 2 pair all have you in a very bad spot, and the fact that you are OOP makes things so much more difficult. Plus, if you do hit your straight, there will be 4 to a straight on the board, and a set/2 pair will never pay you off unless they fill up, in which case you get stacked.

If I were to play this hand I would just complete, and check/fold unless I had good pot odds to see the turn.
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Old 12-11-2005, 02:23 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Why not just take a cheap flop here instead of raising out of the SB w/AQo?
Peer pressure from Fnord. I swear, the only word that guy knows is raise.

Anyway, I'm trying to raise more hands. Well, I was. Apparently my selection was poor, I was losing and had to quit. Been multi-camping it all day and I'm close to even, but I've had a hugely swingy day.

Anyway, the guy had KK.
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Evaluate yourself. Find out where you're losing money and why that is. What was your image at the table. Why did so and so opponent play a certain hand a certain way etc etc... Usually it's mostly variance, but I don't like kidding myself if the boat sprung a leak.
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Old 12-13-2005, 01:58 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Peer pressure from Fnord. I swear, the only word that guy knows is raise.
Raise, raise raise... raise, raise?

I really hate playing big cards in raised pots out of position. I think I jack it up to like $6 and hope they put me on a big pair if I'm raising, but I probably just take a flop.

I'm tempted to push this too and really hate folding with the odds you're getting. If all the money got in on the flop AQ vs KK, you can't be too unhappy about that.

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Old 12-14-2005, 03:50 AM #11 (permalink)  
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I'm tempted to push this too and really hate folding with the odds you're getting. If all the money got in on the flop AQ vs KK, you can't be too unhappy about that.
Who said I pushed it? Okay, I pushed it and felt like a dumbass later.
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