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sejje
Old 05-17-2005, 02:58 AM     Post subject: I'm having so much trouble. #1 (permalink)  
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I can't put people on a hand anymore. I can't win anymore.

Not just win a hand, but win a session, day, or week for like 3 weeks.

***** Hand History for Game 2060743322 *****
$50 NL Hold'em - Monday, May 16, 22:52:10 EDT 2005
Table Table 36586 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Dookie68 ( $126.32 )
Seat 2: sejje ( $56.65 )
Seat 5: PMilanov ( $53.1 )
Seat 8: Sgt__V ( $11.27 )
Seat 3: rufus_406 ( $49.5 )
Seat 10: fatalthot ( $49.5 )
Seat 4: jdb4_4 ( $51.4 )
Seat 6: NatchCUZ ( $48 )
Seat 9: soonerfro ( $50 )
fatalthot posts small blind [$0.25].
Dookie68 posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sejje [ Qh Qd ]
>You have options at Table 37425 Table!.
>You have options at Table 37362 Table!.
sejje raises [$2].
rufus_406 folds.
jdb4_4 folds.
PMilanov folds.
GdubQb4 has joined the table.
NatchCUZ calls [$2].
Sgt__V folds.
fatalthot calls [$1.75].
Dookie68 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 8h, 8s ]
>You have options at Table 37425 Table!.
fatalthot checks.
sejje bets [$6].
NatchCUZ folds.
fatalthot calls [$6].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
fatalthot checks.
sejje bets [$6].
fatalthot raises [$12].
sejje calls [$6].
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
>You have options at Table 37362 Table!.
fatalthot bets [$6].
sejje calls [$6].
fatalthot shows [ Ks, Kd ] two pairs, kings and eights.
>You have options at Table 37362 Table!.
sejje shows [ Qh, Qd ] two pairs, queens and eights.
fatalthot wins $51.8 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and eights.

Do I fold to the minraise? I think he played his hand horribly, but the call on the flop made me think he might have it full. I'd have folded to a real raise on the turn, but just minraised...I don't know anymore. I suck.


Anyway, that hand led to this hand about 2 minutes later.

***** Hand History for Game 2060755159 *****
$50 NL Hold'em - Monday, May 16, 22:53:59 EDT 2005
Table Table 37425 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: spottyrose ( $148.81 )
Seat 4: sejje ( $55.25 )
Seat 5: FatimusPrime ( $58.8 )
Seat 6: IceGod69 ( $49.25 )
Seat 8: AASensations ( $43.85 )
Seat 2: calig0r ( $53.15 )
Seat 9: rufus_406 ( $64.35 )
Seat 1: lovethejake ( $57.05 )
Seat 10: player2ma ( $25.4 )
Seat 7: ROON2004 ( $49.25 )
spottyrose posts small blind [$0.25].
sejje posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sejje [ Qc Qs ]
FatimusPrime calls [$0.5].
IceGod69 folds.
>You have options at Table 36586 Table!.
ROON2004 folds.
rufus_406 folds.
player2ma folds.
lovethejake folds.
calig0r folds.
spottyrose calls [$0.25].
sejje raises [$1.5].
FatimusPrime calls [$1.5].
spottyrose calls [$1.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6s, 5s, 9h ]
>You have options at Table 36597 Table!.
spottyrose checks.
>You have options at Table 36597 Table!.
sejje bets [$5].
>You have options at Table 36586 Table!.
FatimusPrime calls [$5].
spottyrose folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
sejje bets [$5].
FatimusPrime calls [$5].
** Dealing River ** [ Jh ]
sejje bets [$5].
>You have options at Table 36597 Table!.
FatimusPrime folds.
sejje does not show cards.
sejje wins $29.7

Looking back, I think I let him draw pretty cheap to a flush. My bad.
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Old 05-17-2005, 07:42 AM     Post subject: Re: I'm having so much trouble. #2 (permalink)  
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Do I fold to the minraise? I think he played his hand horribly, but the call on the flop made me think he might have it full. I'd have folded to a real raise on the turn, but just minraised...I don't know anymore. I suck.
No he did not play his hand horribly. Re-raising you pre flop gives away information, if he can put you on a very narrow span of hands he can play this very safely post flop depending on the texture of the flop. I love occationally calling raises pre flop against one or two opponents with KK or AA and then later trap them. I have no problem folding these hands on dangerous boards and against dangerous betting patterns.
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Old 05-17-2005, 08:17 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I've done that before when I thought someone had KK, hoping to trap them after the flop with my AA.

I don't know, I've never heard advice to not reraise, especially after the flop. If he thought his hand was good, shouldn't he get as much money in as possible? If he's not sure, that's where the raising comes in, right?

Anyway, he got a good chunk of change out of me, so I can't really critique him I guess.
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Old 05-17-2005, 06:25 PM #4 (permalink)  
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#1 He played this ok, I guess. I think Harrington says to call--rather than r/r--with a big pair 10% of the time, and you can really make cash if you hit and the money is deep. Last night, I had a guy limp with AA from MP, and I raised on the button with KK, he reraised, knocked out the rest of the field, and then took all my cash after my AI. Variation can score big sometimes...

#2 Your turn bet is too small IMO. I know players who call a pot-sized bet on a nut flush draw EVERY TIME, b/c of the huge inplied odds. Make him call 2/3 the pot to make his draw incorrect, which might also make a pair of trips re-raise.

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I can't put people on a hand anymore. I can't win anymore.
>You have options at Table 37425 Table!.
>You have options at Table 37362 Table!.
Finally, you mention that you can't put people on hands...do you multi-table a lot? Playing 3-4 NL tables can be pretty tough on reads. If you miss 1-2 hands it could cost you your stack later in the session. Personally, I usually can't play more than 3 tables w/o missing a lot of reads...
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