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BobbySalami

07-20-2005, 02:50 AM Post subject: I tried getting fancy...help me out.

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First of all, I admit, I was bored from not playing a hand in 45 minutes, so when the action came to me on the button with 1 limper I decided I would get a bit fancy. The limper was a pretty solid player that made good laydowns....

Here's the problems I think I see....lemme know what u guys think.

First of all, playing it this way, I dont think I raised him enough on the flop....I geuss that was pretty weak....he had to of still liked his hand since my reraise was so minimal.....

I took the free river card....then I tried to represent AK that had missed the flop but caught the river and put out a pot sized bet. He stewed for a moment but then called.....

So....
Was my play too weak and represented a draw the whole time?
Was it retarded to try this stuff at 0.05/0.10?
Any and all comments are welcome....maybe even a slap in the face

FullTiltPoker Game #159662217: Table Duneville - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:22:19 ET - 2005/07/19
Seat 1: MrPickles ($15)
Seat 2: BobbySalami ($6.70)
Seat 3: swa ($8.85)
Seat 4: bull2u ($1.60), is sitting out
Seat 5: Snowbrat ($0), is sitting out
Seat 6: TexasKatie ($7.30)
Seat 7: secondlook ($4.60)
Seat 8: DocH45 ($11.85)
Seat 9: Sudan ($6.50)
Snowbrat stands up
swa posts the small blind of $0.05
TexasKatie posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BobbySalami [9d 7s]
secondlook folds
DocH45 calls $0.10
Sudan folds
MrPickles folds
BobbySalami raises to $0.30
swa folds
TexasKatie calls $0.20
DocH45 calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [8s Tc 5h]
TexasKatie checks
DocH45 bets $0.10
BobbySalami raises to $0.50
TexasKatie folds
DocH45 calls $0.40
*** TURN *** [8s Tc 5h] [5s]
DocH45 checks
BobbySalami checks
*** RIVER *** [8s Tc 5h 5s] [Ah]
bull2u has returned
DocH45 checks
BobbySalami bets $1.50
DocH45 calls $1.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BobbySalami shows [9d 7s] (a pair of Fives)
DocH45 shows [Kc Td] (two pair, Tens and Fives)
DocH45 wins the pot ($4.75) with two pair, Tens and Fives
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.95 | Rake $0.20

Board: [8s Tc 5h 5s Ah]
Seat 1: MrPickles didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: BobbySalami (button) showed [9d 7s] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 3: swa (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: bull2u is sitting out
Seat 5: Snowbrat is sitting out
Seat 6: TexasKatie (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: secondlook didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: DocH45 showed [Kc Td] and won ($4.75) with two pair, Tens and Fives
Seat 9: Sudan didn't bet (folded)

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spino1i

07-20-2005, 04:03 AM

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If you are getting bored from not playing enough hands, and your play is suffering because of it (which looks like what is happening here), then I suggest you move up to 2 or 3 tables at once. I had this same problem when I started playing 25 NL, and once I played two tables the problem dissapeared since I never got bored. I now play 2-5 tables at all times whenever I play.

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Greedo017

07-20-2005, 04:28 AM

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he had tkgk man! he'd probably go all-in if you bet it. *warming up the back of my hand for a slappin*

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Element187

07-20-2005, 07:47 AM

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i would raise more preflop at these tables/limits

.5/.10 blinds .. im guessing NL 10$ ... hes not going anywhere with a 3x BB bet

at the lower limits, ick it up to 8x or maybe 10x whatever gets folds

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DimitriT

07-20-2005, 12:12 PM

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When you play a hand like 9d 7s from late position you are looking to represent a stronger hand and steal the blinds or sneak into a monster and break someone. Here's what I see wrong with this play:

1. you don't raise it enough - make it .50 to go - you want to get their attention and make them think - that takes more in .5/.10

2. the flop is good for you because its likely your villain missed but he minbets you. Why? Do you have a read on him? Does he do this with TP? People do all sorts of things in .5/.10 so don't think he's being sneaky or trying to get information. Based on your read you either need to fold or come back at him with a pot sized bet. With all the passive plrs in .5/.10 I would fold it. You will likely get called with bottom pair or lower.

3. If he calls your bet, you are done. There is no way you will get him off his hand at that point. Especially in .5/.10.

BobbySalami

07-20-2005, 09:02 PM

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Thanks guys....those are all good tips. I think I had the intention of being aggressive, but I really wasnt........

Also, I wasnt sure what that minbet meant....I didnt have a read on him as far as that went...at the time I thought he was a solid player.

I'll also have to consider 2-tabling...unfortunately my learning curve hasnt been able to catch up with my bankroll....(vice versa?)

Thanks again!

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EricE

07-20-2005, 09:17 PM

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Min bet at my level reprsents middle or lower pair. If flop comes KK3 a min bet is supposed to say I have a pair of 3s. Of course, it is just as likely they have a K so poeople fold unless they have a K. hehe.
If flop comes 47T, a min bet is usualy saying I have a 4 or a 7 and that is fairly likely.
I don't bet like that but lots of people at my level do.

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BobbySalami

07-21-2005, 03:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EricE

Yeah....that usually seems to be true....or when they are holding a monster. But with no raise and checking away, that showed real weakness to me.....

I shoulda punched a lot harder when i sniffed weakness....but who knows, he probably woulda called anyways.

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SinkRox

07-26-2005, 03:11 AM

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how often does someone have a monster?

how often do they have TPWK or Mid/Bottom Pair - very often!

At my level (.1/.2 NL$20) a min bet, or near that, pretty much always screams weakness.

Also maybe its different at your level but that looks like quite a large river bet, I think 1/2 pot bet should be more than enough to encorage a fold - if theyre willing to let it go (tho I've heard others say 2/3 bet).

What would you do if you DID have AK, i know id bet about 1/4 or 1/3 pot at the river for a call, not 2/3 pot.

In this hand (apart from AK/AQ) you looked like an aggressive player on a flush draw, getting a free river card and not hitting. He knew you didnt have an overpair to his 10's and simply didnt belive you hit the river

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