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MRoper18
Old 07-31-2005, 04:46 AM     Post subject: I think I need help bluffing ? #1 (permalink)  

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NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:14409209 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Sunday, July 31, 00:38:19 EDT 2005
Table Table 11799 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 4: KC1913 ( $610 )
Seat 6: TheNutBoat ( $855 )
Seat 9: phil1919 ( $740 )
Seat 8: kramrs311 ( $530 )
Seat 10: BOONEDROSS ( $1130 )
Seat 3: DarkDog777 ( $1065 )
Seat 5: bowman777 ( $1360 )
Seat 2: jj69em ( $1015 )
Seat 7: pedersnat ( $695 )
Trny:14409209 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheNutBoat [ Qc Jh ]
kramrs311 folds.
phil1919 folds.
BOONEDROSS calls [30].
jj69em raises [60].
DarkDog777 calls [60].
KC1913 folds.
bowman777 folds.
TheNutBoat calls [45].
pedersnat folds.
BOONEDROSS calls [30].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Td, 3d, 5c ]
TheNutBoat bets [150].
BOONEDROSS folds.
jj69em folds.
DarkDog777 calls [150].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7h ]
TheNutBoat bets [150].
DarkDog777 calls [150].
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
TheNutBoat bets [200].
DarkDog777 calls [200].
TheNutBoat shows [ Qc, Jh ] a pair of threes.
DarkDog777 shows [ Ts, 9s ] two pairs, tens and threes.
DarkDog777 wins 1270 chips from the main pot with two pairs, tens and threes.

UGHHHHH. What did I do wrong that made him call with the 10-9 kicker? I already know I shouldn't have played the QJ in that position, so don't mention that please. I don't even know what he was drawing to stay in the hand with? Also, just incase anyone is wondering, I put him on a flush draw.
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Old 07-31-2005, 04:53 AM #2 (permalink)  
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He's a donkey who wont fold top pair bad kicker.

These are the guys you can't bluff - instead, you wait till have a strong hand, bet the same way and have them give you all their chips.

By the end of him calling on the turn, its time to give it up, unless you want to get real risky and push all in - which he may, in fact call. For all we know, he may have put you on a flush draw (ridiculous, but thats how they think)
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Old 07-31-2005, 05:22 AM #3 (permalink)  
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You need to set up the bluff preflop with a raise. If you throw out bets when he has top pair and you didn't rep AA/KK preflop, he's not gonna lay it down.
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Old 07-31-2005, 05:32 AM     Post subject: Re: I think I need help bluffing ? #4 (permalink)  
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Um re-raise preflop, bet 300ish on the flop, and show strength on the turn.

But it doesn't look like he is letting go of this anyways.
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Old 07-31-2005, 02:18 PM #5 (permalink)  
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This early in a sng, it's probably best not to bluff at all. That way when you get down to 4 or 5 players, you can bluff all you want. The last few will be capable of folding (unlike this guy), and they'll be used to you having a good hand every showdown.
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Old 07-31-2005, 02:37 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Keep in mind what you want to represent and bet accordingly. Your bets looked like you were drawing. Surprised the guy didn't raise you.
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Old 07-31-2005, 06:02 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 The whole purpose of the bluff is to scare someone out of the pot. Betting out less than the pot every time is going to make it worth this guy's money on each street to call you with top pair. I don't think he's a bad player at all, he just had no reason to leave the hand. On the river, after calling two $150 bets why is a $200 bet going to scare him off? Gotta be really aggressive if you want a bluff to work.

You want this guy thinking you have AT or something big for this flop so bet big. If you bet small you're not really representing anything.
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Old 07-31-2005, 06:43 PM #8 (permalink)  
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One simple and kind of obvious piece of advice that helped me with bluffs -- when you decide to bluff, think of the hand you're trying to represent and play accordingly.
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Old 08-01-2005, 06:27 AM #9 (permalink)  

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I think I've Improved a slight bit... acutally not really, I just got super lucky this hand.

PokerStars Game #2236048313: Tournament #10762648, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/08/01 - 02:02:27 (ET)
Table '10762648 1' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: fabob (2415 in chips)
Seat 2: hschiii (2445 in chips)
Seat 3: Foo Bum (865 in chips)
Seat 5: LoisLane52 (1700 in chips)
Seat 6: MRoper18 (4375 in chips)
Seat 8: Botog (1700 in chips)
Foo Bum: posts small blind 50
LoisLane52: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MRoper18 [Ah Qd]
MRoper18: raises 400 to 500
Botog: folds
fabob: folds
hschiii: calls 500
Foo Bum: folds
LoisLane52: folds
*** FLOP *** [8h Td 9h]
MRoper18: bets 600
hschiii: calls 600
*** TURN *** [8h Td 9h] [6d]
MRoper18: bets 1000
hschiii: calls 1000
*** RIVER *** [8h Td 9h 6d] [Ks]
(Figured I was dead here, but decided to just put em all in anyway incase he missed his draw)
MRoper18: bets 345
hschiii: folds
MRoper18 collected 4350 from pot
MRoper18 said, "wow, extremly nice fold"
MRoper18: shows [Ah Qd] (high card Ace)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4350 | Rake 0
Board [8h Td 9h 6d Ks]
Seat 1: fabob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: hschiii (button) folded on the River
Seat 3: Foo Bum (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: LoisLane52 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: MRoper18 collected (4350)
Seat 8: Botog folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Old 08-01-2005, 08:00 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Never bluff into more than 2 players. The first hand has 4 players going to the flop. SOMEONE is going to catch a piece of it. The 2nd hand, there's not much point in raising to 500 preflop, 400 will do just as good and risk less with an unmade hand. Bet like 2/3 the pot on the flop and just check/fold it down after that when he calls you. A river bluff might work, but the turn bet is just a waste. Bluffing into hands with a lot of draws is generally a bad idea as well.
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Old 08-01-2005, 02:16 PM #11 (permalink)  
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nice post oak bluff in the 2nd hand.
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Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
 
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:17 AM #12 (permalink)  
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What are you trying to represent? The art of bluff is representing a hand you dont have, your raising seems very random. If you wanna bluff pretend you have a hand and raise as if you had it, most ponies wont fold top pair in an unraised pot because they have no reason to beleive they are beaten.
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Old 08-02-2005, 04:08 AM #13 (permalink)  
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What are you trying to represent?

Does your opponent care?

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