Poker Forum

Over 1,247,000 Posts!

REGISTER
Subscribe to FTR web feed
Already Registered?      Username:    Password:   Remember      Forgot Password

Poker Forum

  > 

Full Ring NL Hold'em

  > 

I think I check/call the river too much...

  
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Rockymv
Old 06-15-2006, 10:34 PM     Post subject: I think I check/call the river too much... #1 (permalink)  
Rockymv's Avatar
Full House

Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,177
Rockymv
Send a message via AIM to Rockymv
Am I missing a lot of value by not leading rivers like these, or is this just a good way of getting to a cheaper, safer showdown? Villian in this case is fairly laggy. Here I had a fairly strong hand, but decided I'd check/call in case he had the boat or caught a straight.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($26.25)
SB ($40.23)
Hero ($50.85)
UTG ($21.55)
UTG+1 ($78)
MP1 ($50.50)
MP2 ($46.99)
MP3 ($89.60)
CO ($49.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, A. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.25, 2 folds, MP3 calls $1.25, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.75.

Flop: ($4) T, Q, 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $3, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $9, UTG+1 calls $6.

Turn: ($22) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $15, UTG+1 calls $15.

River: ($52) J (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

Final Pot: $52
Reply With Quote

Play for FREE and practice your game at...

Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
zook
Old 06-15-2006, 11:15 PM #2 (permalink)  
zook's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,676
zook
I think this is fine. What hand calls a river bet you that you beat, that doesn't bet the river if you check? Maybe AA or KK, but I think they're probably 3-betting the flop. I don't think you're getting any more money out of this opp on the river.
Reply With Quote
Fnord
Old 06-15-2006, 11:17 PM #3 (permalink)  
Fnord's Avatar
Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,336
Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via MSN to Fnord
Quote:
Originally Posted by zook
What hand calls a river bet you that you beat, that doesn't bet the river if you check?
2 Pair
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
 
Reply With Quote
zook
Old 06-15-2006, 11:52 PM #4 (permalink)  
zook's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,676
zook
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Quote:
Originally Posted by zook
What hand calls a river bet you that you beat, that doesn't bet the river if you check?
2 Pair
I guess queens and jacks or queens and tens might call, but queens and jacks probably bet if checked to. And I'm not sure getting value from those hands is worth the chips you lose when he raises with AK, JJ, or even TT or 33. How would you play it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Quote:
Originally Posted by zook
Maybe AA or KK, but I think they're probably 3-betting the flop. I don't think you're getting any more money out of this opp on the river.
Nice read. His failure to 3-bet his own raise clearly gives away his hand.
Huh? On the flop, villain bet, hero raised, so villain had a chance to 3-bet. Am I missing something? It doesn't eliminate AA & KK from his range, but I think those hands re-raise this flop a lot.
Reply With Quote
Fnord
Old 06-15-2006, 11:56 PM #5 (permalink)  
Fnord's Avatar
Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,336
Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via MSN to Fnord
Quote:
Originally Posted by zook
How would you play it?
Push, I think he's looking us up.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Huh? On the flop, villain bet, hero raised, so villain had a chance to 3-bet. Am I missing something? It doesn't eliminate AA & KK from his range, but I think those hands re-raise this flop a lot.
I should read a little slower.

He potted it and hero came over the top of him. Many players slow down here with a pair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
 
Reply With Quote
a500lbgorilla
Old 06-15-2006, 11:58 PM #6 (permalink)  
a500lbgorilla's Avatar
JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: This room is a good place to be
Posts: 8,379
a500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to all
Send a message via AIM to a500lbgorilla
you've got him, he's gonna call another 2/3rds pot on the river. Im almost certain this is the most profitable line against pstars players. Hit top pair, bet 2/3rds on each street. The sometimes fold sometimes call the river. simply fold to a raise anywhere.

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
 
Reply With Quote
Reply
Latest Poker News
dlbarlowe Old 06-01-2012, 11:03 AM    White House Responds to Poker Players Alliance's Petition
After receiving a petition scripted by the Poker Players Alliance approximately eight months ago, the Obama administration recently issued a response prepared by Brian Deese, the Deputy Director of th ...

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:39 AM.

Contact Us - Archive - Top

FTR Testimonials

All content
© FlopTurnRiver.com 		Advertising  |   Partners  |   Testimonials  |   T&C  |   Contact Us  |   FTR News & Press  |   Site Map  |   Search FTR

Full Tilt  |   Titan Poker  |   UltimateBet  |   Poker Stars  |   Ladbrokes Bonus  |   Sportsbook  |   Cake Poker  

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum
This is not a gambling website.