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Old 11-11-2007, 11:42 PM     Post subject: I really wanted to slowplay this set... #1 (permalink)  
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MP1 ($166.25)
MP2 ($108.45)
MP3 ($100.30)
CO ($79.85)
Button ($214.40)
SB ($111.35)
BB ($82.40)
UTG ($19)
Hero ($108.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7, 7.
1 fold, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, SB completes, BB raises to $6, Hero calls $5, MP2 calls $5, CO calls $5, Button calls $5, SB calls $5.

Flop: ($36) 7, Q, 6 (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets $12, Hero raises to $40, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: $60


...anyone willing to endorse a slowplay here & pray a spade doesn't come?
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Old 11-12-2007, 01:11 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Im not by any means as experienced as most others here, but I dont see how you can slowplay this flop in a 6-way pot
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Old 11-12-2007, 01:35 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I dont see how you can slowplay this flop in a 6-way pot
don't be results oriented.
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Old 11-12-2007, 05:03 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I dont see how you can slowplay this flop in a 6-way pot
don't be results oriented.
This is not being results oriented. This is not slowplaying scary, coordinated boards against 5 players (3 with position).
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Old 11-12-2007, 05:27 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 So not slowplaying vs poor players. They won't understand that you're not raising a draw often so you don't need a merged range. BB is sure to felt an overpair on this flop, but not a lot of turns. We're obv scared of a handful of turns. Flush draws behind will still often call a raise.
 
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Old 11-12-2007, 05:07 PM #6 (permalink)  
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$30 on the flop works since all the money is going in on the turn anyway.
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I dont see how you can slowplay this flop in a 6-way pot
don't be results oriented.
This is not being results oriented. This is not slowplaying scary, coordinated boards against 5 players (3 with position).
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Old 11-12-2007, 09:11 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 What did he mean then?
 
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Old 11-12-2007, 09:13 PM #9 (permalink)  
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On the flop we have 7 outs to a boat (or better).
On the turn we have 10 outs to a boat.

I like a flop minraise.
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Old 11-13-2007, 03:10 AM #10 (permalink)  
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On the flop we have 7 outs to a boat (or better).
On the turn we have 10 outs to a boat.

I like a flop minraise.
I was tempted to....but wouldn't that be giving pot odds to anyone chasing?
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Old 11-13-2007, 06:50 AM #11 (permalink)  
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On the flop we have 7 outs to a boat (or better).
On the turn we have 10 outs to a boat.

I like a flop minraise.
I was tempted to....but wouldn't that be giving pot odds to anyone chasing?
yes.

What we want to do is to induce as many mistakes as possible. Min-raising gives justification for any drawing hands to call. So lets bump it up to a pot sized bet so that drawing hands are making mistakes and we are getting paid against big pairs.

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Old 11-13-2007, 06:31 PM #12 (permalink)  
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We are betting 24 into a 48 pot so it is still a ½ pot bet but with 5 potential callers.
Poker stove it. We have around 55% equity in this pot.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

4,688,733 games 414.607 secs 11,308 games/sec

Board: 6s 7s Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.667% 55.67% 00.00% 2610176 0.00 { 7c7h }
Hand 1: 29.695% 29.65% 00.05% 1390177 2203.50 { KsQs }
Hand 2: 01.743% 01.26% 00.48% 59173 22550.92 { 6h5h }
Hand 3: 03.221% 02.88% 00.34% 134893 16151.25 { random }
Hand 4: 03.231% 02.89% 00.34% 135491 16031.17 { random }
Hand 5: 03.225% 02.88% 00.35% 135011 16196.50 { random }
Hand 6: 03.218% 02.88% 00.34% 134803 16092.67 { random }



Are we that worried about giving bad odds to chase?
F-it, let them all call because we have the pot equity on our side.
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Old 11-14-2007, 01:01 AM #13 (permalink)  
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 flop minraise only of you have a history of minraising flop with air

else, you are playing your hand face up



basically, slowplaying is for pussies. only slowplay if you are 99% sure opponent will bet out with a weaker hand than he'll call raises with (?)
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