i ran pokerEV and found my Won W/O showdown negative!!!!

**pokerfan** · 03-21-2008 07:51 PM

please troubleshoot my problem.

Over the last 18k hands i played in 100NL, my showdown winnings was $3568.60 but my Won W/O showdown was -$986. After running pokerEV, i found that i ran very well with my all-in luck, but my total winnings is far below my showdown & expected winnings , which really worried me a whole lot. Did i fold too much to preflop & postflop aggression with marginal hands ?
my major stats:
VP$IP: 13.69%
pfr%: 9.96%
AF:3.55
cb%: 57.71%
att to steal%: 29.25%
won& when saw flop%: 35.49%
BB/100 hands: 7.32
BB/100 hands after equity adjusted(all-ins): 5.7

**spoonitnow** · 03-21-2008 08:29 PM

My won w/o showdown has almost always been negative at 100nl and 200nl.

Now, I'm not sure if it's supposed to be or not.

**swiggidy** · 03-21-2008 08:36 PM

well, if you're b/f or calling pre and folding a flop, etc those are all going to be minus on w/0 showdown. So I could see it being negative easily. When you do win it should be a smaller pot than if it makes it to showdown.

**pokerfan** · 03-21-2008 08:48 PM

ok, i got you guys points.

should i increase my cb% to like 70%-80%

**aka_red** · 03-24-2008 06:59 AM

my cbet is prolly around 80-90%

**Cocco_Bill** · 03-24-2008 07:50 AM

fullring..

I've played it enough to believe that most FR regulars even in mid high stakes games are pretty weak players compared to the better 6-max regulars.

**Cocco_Bill** · 03-24-2008 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

My won w/o showdown has almost always been negative at 100nl and 200nl.

Now, I'm not sure if it's supposed to be or not.

It could mean that the games are soft enough for you to get away with playing straightforward unimaginative postflop poker probably missing tons of value by not taking advantage of good bluffing opportunities etc. Or else it could just mean that your hand strength requirements for showdown are too high. Also a lot of players in general are not very good at pot control.

Don't take this wrong, you are doing an amazing job playing a sick amount of hands with solid profit bro.

**Deanglow** · 03-24-2008 03:41 PM

My win w/o showdown is always negative. I think blinds have a lot to do with it.

**InditoEdo** · 02-07-2012 10:36 PM

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**BankItDrew** · 02-08-2012 05:19 AM

There are a lot of reasons the red line is below even. Including:

- You get to showdown more often and are a tighter player preflop than the average player.
- You don't bet or raise as frequently as the average player.
- You are nitty from the blinds.
- You are getting caught bluffing before the river too often.
- You hand read very well and as a result are value betting thin vs weaker hands more often than the average player.

None of these nor combinations of these will determine if you are a winning player or not, it's just a style thing.

**InditoEdo** · 02-14-2012 03:09 PM

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03-21-2008 07:51 PM #1
pokerfan View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2007 Posts 1,742 Location NS, Canada	i ran pokerEV and found my Won W/O showdown negative!!!! please troubleshoot my problem. Over the last 18k hands i played in 100NL, my showdown winnings was $3568.60 but my Won W/O showdown was -$986. After running pokerEV, i found that i ran very well with my all-in luck, but my total winnings is far below my showdown & expected winnings , which really worried me a whole lot. Did i fold too much to preflop & postflop aggression with marginal hands ? my major stats: VP$IP: 13.69% pfr%: 9.96% AF:3.55 cb%: 57.71% att to steal%: 29.25% won& when saw flop%: 35.49% BB/100 hands: 7.32 BB/100 hands after equity adjusted(all-ins): 5.7

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03-21-2008 08:29 PM #2
spoonitnow View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Best Strat Poster 2012 Join Date Sep 2005 Posts 10,126 Location Working	My won w/o showdown has almost always been negative at 100nl and 200nl. Now, I'm not sure if it's supposed to be or not.

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03-21-2008 08:36 PM #3
swiggidy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2005 Posts 7,813 Location Waiting in the shadows ...	well, if you're b/f or calling pre and folding a flop, etc those are all going to be minus on w/0 showdown. So I could see it being negative easily. When you do win it should be a smaller pot than if it makes it to showdown.
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pokerfan View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2007 Posts 1,742 Location NS, Canada	ok, i got you guys points. should i increase my cb% to like 70%-80%

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Cocco_Bill View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2004 Posts 1,251 Location Sweden	fullring.. I've played it enough to believe that most FR regulars even in mid high stakes games are pretty weak players compared to the better 6-max regulars.

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Cocco_Bill View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2004 Posts 1,251 Location Sweden	Originally Posted by spoonitnow My won w/o showdown has almost always been negative at 100nl and 200nl. Now, I'm not sure if it's supposed to be or not. It could mean that the games are soft enough for you to get away with playing straightforward unimaginative postflop poker probably missing tons of value by not taking advantage of good bluffing opportunities etc. Or else it could just mean that your hand strength requirements for showdown are too high. Also a lot of players in general are not very good at pot control. Don't take this wrong, you are doing an amazing job playing a sick amount of hands with solid profit bro.

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BankItDrew View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 6,156 Location Losing Prop Bets	There are a lot of reasons the red line is below even. Including: - You get to showdown more often and are a tighter player preflop than the average player. - You don't bet or raise as frequently as the average player. - You are nitty from the blinds. - You are getting caught bluffing before the river too often. - You hand read very well and as a result are value betting thin vs weaker hands more often than the average player. None of these nor combinations of these will determine if you are a winning player or not, it's just a style thing.
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