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    Default i ran pokerEV and found my Won W/O showdown negative!!!!

    please troubleshoot my problem. Over the last 18k hands i played in 100NL, my showdown winnings was $3568.60 but my Won W/O showdown was -$986. After running pokerEV, i found that i ran very well with my all-in luck, but my total winnings is far below my showdown & expected winnings , which really worried me a whole lot. Did i fold too much to preflop & postflop aggression with marginal hands ?
    my major stats:
    VP$IP: 13.69%
    pfr%: 9.96%
    AF:3.55
    cb%: 57.71%
    att to steal%: 29.25%
    won& when saw flop%: 35.49%
    BB/100 hands: 7.32
    BB/100 hands after equity adjusted(all-ins): 5.7
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    My won w/o showdown has almost always been negative at 100nl and 200nl.

    Now, I'm not sure if it's supposed to be or not.
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    well, if you're b/f or calling pre and folding a flop, etc those are all going to be minus on w/0 showdown. So I could see it being negative easily. When you do win it should be a smaller pot than if it makes it to showdown.
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    ok, i got you guys points. should i increase my cb% to like 70%-80%
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    my cbet is prolly around 80-90%
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    fullring..

    I've played it enough to believe that most FR regulars even in mid high stakes games are pretty weak players compared to the better 6-max regulars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow
    My won w/o showdown has almost always been negative at 100nl and 200nl.

    Now, I'm not sure if it's supposed to be or not.
    It could mean that the games are soft enough for you to get away with playing straightforward unimaginative postflop poker probably missing tons of value by not taking advantage of good bluffing opportunities etc. Or else it could just mean that your hand strength requirements for showdown are too high. Also a lot of players in general are not very good at pot control.

    Don't take this wrong, you are doing an amazing job playing a sick amount of hands with solid profit bro.
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    My win w/o showdown is always negative. I think blinds have a lot to do with it.
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    There are a lot of reasons the red line is below even. Including:

    - You get to showdown more often and are a tighter player preflop than the average player.
    - You don't bet or raise as frequently as the average player.
    - You are nitty from the blinds.
    - You are getting caught bluffing before the river too often.
    - You hand read very well and as a result are value betting thin vs weaker hands more often than the average player.

    None of these nor combinations of these will determine if you are a winning player or not, it's just a style thing.
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