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Surf_Thug

10-06-2005, 07:38 AM Post subject: I mean seriously, how obvious is it that this guy has AA

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I still can't bring myself to lay this down at this level. This was so obvious it was painfull though. The second he min-raised I said AA, then he re-raised I said AA, then I was sure he had AA, and then I put him all in anyways, blaaa..

Who lays this down?

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$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, October 06, 03:10:34 EDT 2005
Table Table 36917 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: yanc1 ( $35.40 )
Seat 4: paco_boy ( $19.85 )
Seat 5: Surf_Thug_ ( $21 )
Seat 7: Tlem21 ( $57.70 )
Seat 9: pokketjokers ( $22.95 )
Seat 8: Raptorial ( $5.75 )
Seat 3: DHSurfer ( $15.15 )
Seat 10: Ballbreak9 ( $26.25 )
Seat 1: Nick828 ( $24.50 )
Seat 6: bluffandudie ( $24.50 )
Nick828 posts small blind [$0.10].
yanc1 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Surf_Thug_ [ Kh Kc ]
>You have options at Table 37076 Table!.
DHSurfer folds.
paco_boy calls [$0.25].
>You have options at Table 37732 Table!.
Surf_Thug_ raises [$1.25].
bluffandudie raises [$2.25].
Tlem21 calls [$2.25].
>You have options at Table 37732 Table!.
Raptorial folds.
pokketjokers folds.
Ballbreak9 folds.
Nick828 folds.
yanc1 folds.
paco_boy folds.
Surf_Thug_ raises [$6.75].
bluffandudie raises [$11.50].
Tlem21 folds.
>You have options at Table 37076 Table!.
>You have options at Table 37732 Table!.
Surf_Thug_ is all-In [$13]
bluffandudie calls [$7.25].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 7s, Qh ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jh ]
>You have options at Table 37732 Table!.
bluffandudie shows [ Ah, Ad ] two pairs, aces and jacks.
Surf_Thug_ doesn't show [ Kh, Kc ] two pairs, kings and jacks.
bluffandudie wins $42.65 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and jacks.

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TalentedTom

10-06-2005, 08:26 PM

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The next 24 times you get KK someone will not have AA, so enjoy that ride.

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PokerPatNEU

10-06-2005, 08:37 PM

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I still wouldn't lay it down because it could be QQ or AKs or even AQs or something at this limit.

I often find myself saying "bleh i know it, he has AA" and then he shows it down and i get mad at myself for not folding when i "knew" he had it. The fact is though, that its just pessimism. Since its' the only hand that can beat you it's the only hand that you're afraid of and therefore the hand that you begin to suspect.

It is very obvious that its a strong hand though, but not 100% concrete enough for me to lay down KK.

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10-08-2005, 01:37 AM

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KK or not, if you read you're beat, go with it and fold....

Texas Hold'em $1-$2 NL (real money), hand #1,336,950,562
Table Den Haag, 7 Oct 2005 2:34 AM ET

Seat 1: 394tw11r
Seat 2: twochas
Seat 3: chapmanuk
Seat 4: Chatterfield
Seat 6: rbones18
Seat 7: KingFatElvis
Seat 8: stosmel1
Seat 9: xxJimmyMacxx [ KS,KC ]
Seat 10: zzzrico1
ANTES/BLINDS
394tw11r posts blind ($0.50), twochas posts blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
chapmanuk folds
Chatterfield folds
rbones18 calls $1
KingFatElvis folds
stosmel1 bets $3
xxJimmyMacxx bets $8
zzzrico1 bets $13
394tw11r folds
twochas bets $30
rbones18 folds
stosmel1 folds
xxJimmyMacxx folds
zzzrico1 bets $36
twochas bets $54.10 and is all-in
zzzrico1 calls $0.50 and is all-in.

FLOP [board cards 6H,9H,2S ]

TURN [board cards 6H,9H,2S,KH ]

RIVER [board cards 6H,9H,2S,KH,6C ]

SHOWDOWN
twochas shows [ AD,AC ]
zzzrico1 shows [ 8C,AH ]
twochas wins $145.10.

a500lbgorilla

10-08-2005, 01:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TalentedTom

The next 24 times you get KK someone will not have AA, so enjoy that ride.

Might as well just quit hold'em

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10-08-2005, 02:09 AM

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Jimmy - If the money was really only 50BB deep, you can't possibly make that laydown in a cash game.

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spino1i

10-08-2005, 02:11 AM

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You cannot lay down KK to AA under any circumstances at 25 NL. Its just flat out impossible. You can only think about doing it at 200 NL and higher. You should be happy to get your money all in everytime pre-flop with KK and these low stakes. Shit happens but most of the time you're ahead here.

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10-08-2005, 02:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spino1i

You cannot lay down KK to AA under any circumstances at 25 NL. Its just flat out impossible. You can only think about doing it at 200 NL and higher.

Now we're getting silly.

How about $25NL with .01 and .02 blinds?
How about $1000NL with $20/$40 blinds and a $5 ante?

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Greedo017

10-08-2005, 03:49 AM

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fnord, have you been having a bad week or something? i think its pretty obvious what he meant

and, there have been a few big long threads about whether you should fold kk to aa ever. the last time one happened it was just a big he said she said shitfest, let's not get this going again. most people feel never fold kk to aa at lower limits under typical low limit circumstances. maybe you could if you know they're a super rock, or your stack is 200BB or something, but not often. at higher limits, it becomes more of a possibility. i personally am experimenting with seeing flops in situations where i really think they have aa.

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DaNutsInYoEye

10-08-2005, 05:06 AM

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You could argue that it was obvious what I had... Sometimes with KK you just have to pay AA off.

PokerStars Game #2751850456: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/10/08 - 00:34:57
(ET)
Table 'Roxane' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: protestboy ($98 in chips)
Seat 2: MUCHACHON ($100.70 in chips)
Seat 3: migoah ($129.60 in chips)
Seat 4: blue_yipper ($22.90 in chips)
Seat 5: ripwell ($31.25 in chips)
Seat 6: HiTnRuNz ($20 in chips)
Seat 7: NutsInYoEye ($101.65 in chips)
Seat 8: Siemens_2121 ($55.40 in chips)
Seat 9: Squire69 ($162.25 in chips)
ripwell: posts small blind $0.50
HiTnRuNz: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NutsInYoEye [Ad Ac]
NutsInYoEye: calls $1
Siemens_2121: folds
Squire69: raises $3 to $4
protestboy: folds
MUCHACHON: folds
migoah: folds
blue_yipper: folds
ripwell: folds
HiTnRuNz: folds
NutsInYoEye: raises $6 to $10
Squire69: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [Jd 3c 6h]
NutsInYoEye: bets $15
Squire69: raises $137.25 to $152.25 and is all-in
NutsInYoEye: calls $76.65 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Jd 3c 6h] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [Jd 3c 6h 7s] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
NutsInYoEye: shows [Ad Ac] (a pair of Aces)
Squire69: mucks hand
NutsInYoEye collected $201.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $204.80 | Rake $3
Board [Jd 3c 6h 7s 8h]
Seat 1: protestboy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: MUCHACHON folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: migoah folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: blue_yipper (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ripwell (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: HiTnRuNz (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: NutsInYoEye showed [Ad Ac] and won ($201.80) with a pair of Aces
Seat 8: Siemens_2121 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Squire69 mucked [Kd Kh]

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Jimmy Mac

10-08-2005, 08:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Jimmy - If the money was really only 50BB deep, you can't possibly make that laydown in a cash game.

Sorry about that hand history, it's a mess. Twochas and I both had about 90BB. Surely though, if i think i am very likely beaten, then I should fold? I mean, in the hand I post, I reraise an early raiser, the next guy minraises that and the big blind raises again. How obvious does it need to be that one of them has the bullets? I know 100nl is soft, but this isn't play money... the shortstack did have A8 though

I could be completly wrong here, i admit

If i reraise someone pre flop at 100nl, how many players are capable of popping it back up with less then KK (assuming 100bb stacks)?

Fnord

10-08-2005, 10:28 AM

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At around 90BB I'm starting to feel ya...

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10-09-2005, 03:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy Mac

If i reraise someone pre flop at 100nl, how many players are capable of popping it back up with less then KK (assuming 100bb stacks)?

***** Hand History for Game 2503839935 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, August 09, 02:41:34 EDT 2005
Table Table 37712 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: becool4242 ( $86.50 )
Seat 3: Teabaggedu ( $182.90 )
Seat 4: SSBR11 ( $90.32 )
Seat 6: Laysen ( $47.80 )
Seat 7: eritzy14 ( $100.35 )
Seat 8: UFLOPME ( $54.40 )
Seat 10: Chiu10 ( $47.80 )
Seat 5: Wahoo2006 ( $98 )
Seat 9: DubDown01 ( $100 )
Wahoo2006 posts small blind [$0.50].
Laysen posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ Ad Ah ]
eritzy14 raises [$4].
UFLOPME folds.
Chiu10 folds.
becool4242 calls [$4].
Teabaggedu folds.
SSBR11 calls [$4].
Wahoo2006 raises [$19.50].
Laysen folds.
kbeeze2015 has joined the table.
eritzy14 is all-In.
becool4242 folds.
SSBR11 folds.
Wahoo2006 is all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 7d, Ac ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
UFLOPME: is that play money?

** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
Wahoo2006 shows [ Ad, Ah ] a full house, Aces full of sevens.
eritzy14 shows [ Qs, Qc ] two pairs, queens and sevens.
eritzy14 wins $2.35 from side pot #1 with two pairs, queens and sevens.
Wahoo2006 wins $202 from the main pot with a full house, Aces full of sevens.

***** Hand History for Game 2447240283 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 30, 02:16:44 EDT 2005
Table Table 36576 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Wahoo2006 ( $101.90 )
Seat 2: Bonds_MVP ( $434.96 )
Seat 4: McQwert_ ( $76.45 )
Seat 5: donpizzle ( $110.16 )
Seat 6: gitel24k ( $168.33 )
Seat 7: timeteo ( $105.85 )
Seat 8: MIDDLEIT ( $106.85 )
Seat 9: Utrookie ( $121.30 )
Seat 10: if7ate9D8J ( $181.55 )
Seat 3: hosum ( $100 )
MIDDLEIT posts small blind [$0.50].
Utrookie posts big blind [$1].
hosum posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ Ac As ]
if7ate9D8J folds.
Wahoo2006 raises [$4].
Bonds_MVP folds.
hosum raises [$6].
McQwert_ folds.
donpizzle calls [$7].
gitel24k folds.
timeteo folds.
MIDDLEIT folds.
Utrookie calls [$6].
Wahoo2006 raises [$21].
hosum raises [$36].
donpizzle folds.
Utrookie folds.
Wahoo2006 is all-In.
hosum is all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6s, 7c, 3h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
hosum shows [ Qc, Kc ] high card king.
Wahoo2006 shows [ Ac, As ] a pair of aces.
Wahoo2006 wins $1.90 from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
Wahoo2006 wins $211.50 from the main pot with a pair of aces.

***** Hand History for Game 2356842583 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, July 13, 11:30:49 EDT 2005
Table Table 37307 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: Wahoo2006 ( $370.76 )
Seat 2: juttis2 ( $237.20 )
Seat 9: caulkmaster ( $69.60 )
Seat 7: AssetStrippa ( $63 )
Seat 6: Metallan ( $95.85 )
Seat 1: eXGEN ( $82.10 )
Seat 8: brado44 ( $93.70 )
Seat 3: Yanonyme ( $125.50 )
Seat 4: ootwickersoo ( $101.30 )
Seat 5: jsmetzer ( $125.65 )
Yanonyme posts small blind [$0.50].
ootwickersoo posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ Ac As ]
Metallan calls [$1].
AssetStrippa folds.
brado44 raises [$4].
caulkmaster folds.
Wahoo2006 raises [$12].
eXGEN folds.
juttis2 folds.
Yanonyme folds.
ootwickersoo folds.
Metallan folds.
brado44 is all-In.
Wahoo2006 calls [$81.70].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, 8s, 3s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]
Wahoo2006 shows [ Ac, As ] a pair of aces.
brado44 doesn't show [ Ad, Kd ] high card ace.
Wahoo2006 wins $186.90 from the main pot with a pair of aces.

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10-09-2005, 01:57 PM

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... blimey

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10-09-2005, 02:12 PM Post subject: Re: I mean seriously, how obvious is it that this guy has AA

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Surf_Thug

I still can't bring myself to lay this down at this level. This was so obvious it was painfull though.

If it helps, I had the exact same thing happen to me just now... I knew he had the A's even as I was pressing the call button (immediately hit reload)... at this level I just couldn't let it go though, hell my net profit at 25/50NL with KK is over $500 (11 big bets/100 hands)... least I got that warm fuzzy feeling you get deep down when he flips over the As and you knew before he flipped em that he had em...

***** Hand History for Game 2848169534 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, October 09, 08:39:27 EDT 2005
Table Table 36638 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: dr_rob ( $26.75 )
Seat 3: Dinozaur ( $7.25 )
Seat 5: outlaw4sure ( $27.25 )
Seat 6: aliaseast ( $30.06 )
Seat 1: Evensar ( $21.30 )
Dinozaur posts small blind [$0.10].
outlaw4sure posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dr_rob [ Ks Kd ]
aliaseast folds.
Evensar calls [$0.25].
jompa_111 has joined the table.
dr_rob raises [$1].
Dinozaur folds.
outlaw4sure folds.
Evensar raises [$3.75].
>You have options at Table 36635 (6 max) Table!.
dr_rob raises [$8].
Evensar is all-In.
dr_rob calls [$12.30].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Td, Jd, Js ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ As ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5c ]
dr_rob shows [ Ks, Kd ] two pairs, kings and jacks.
Evensar shows [ Ac, Ah ] a full house, Aces full of jacks.
Evensar wins $40.95 from the main pot with a full house, Aces full of jacks.

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