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MNMP2
Old 04-05-2006, 12:42 AM     Post subject: I know I jacked this hand up #1 (permalink)  
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Should I have known to fold on his bet? He was a very loose player, with vp$ip of around 65% after 150 hands at the time. That made me think he was bluffing the turn bet to push me off. I ended up losing big and regretting it.


Holdem No Limit $0.50/$1
[Apr 3 19:49:26] : Hand Start.
[Apr 3 19:49:26] : Seat 1 : p0cketaces has $81.50
[Apr 3 19:49:26] : Seat 2 : BigSparkdogg has $88.50
[Apr 3 19:49:26] : Seat 3 : andyman64 has $257.94
[Apr 3 19:49:26] : Seat 4 : Prophet6 has $97.50
[Apr 3 19:49:26] : Seat 5 : MadScot has $92.50
[Apr 3 19:49:26] : Seat 6 : MrDjY has $49.25
[Apr 3 19:49:26] : Seat 7 : dmf has $51.50
[Apr 3 19:49:26] : Seat 8 : pitboss2 has $128
[Apr 3 19:49:26] : Seat 9 : TwistedOne has $88.50
[Apr 3 19:49:26] : MadScot is the dealer.
[Apr 3 19:49:26] : MrDjY posted small blind.
[Apr 3 19:49:27] : dmf posted big blind.
[Apr 3 19:49:27] : Game [4271] started with 9 players.
[Apr 3 19:49:27] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Apr 3 19:49:27] : Seat 4 : Prophet6 has Qd Qc
[Apr 3 19:49:30] : pitboss2 folded.
[Apr 3 19:49:32] : TwistedOne folded.
[Apr 3 19:49:32] : p0cketaces folded.
[Apr 3 19:49:34] : BigSparkdogg folded.
[Apr 3 19:49:37] : andyman64 called $1
[Apr 3 19:49:44] : Prophet6 called $1 and raised $3
[Apr 3 19:49:45] : MadScot folded.
[Apr 3 19:49:48] : MrDjY folded.
[Apr 3 19:49:48] : dmf folded.
[Apr 3 19:49:49] : andyman64 called $3
[Apr 3 19:49:49] : Dealing flop.
[Apr 3 19:49:49] : Board cards [4c Kh 2c]
[Apr 3 19:49:55] : andyman64 checked.
[Apr 3 19:49:59] : Prophet6 bet $5
[Apr 3 19:50:04] : andyman64 called $5
[Apr 3 19:50:05] : Dealing turn.
[Apr 3 19:50:05] : Board cards [4c Kh 2c 6h]
[Apr 3 19:50:12] : andyman64 bet $16
[Apr 3 19:50:14] : Prophet6 called $16
[Apr 3 19:50:14] : Dealing river.
[Apr 3 19:50:14] : Board cards [4c Kh 2c 6h Js]
[Apr 3 19:50:26] : andyman64 bet $16
[Apr 3 19:50:28] : Prophet6 called $16
[Apr 3 19:50:28] : Showdown!
[Apr 3 19:50:28] : Seat 4 : Prophet6 has Qd Qc
[Apr 3 19:50:30] : Seat 3 : andyman64 has Td Kd
[Apr 3 19:50:30] : andyman64 has Pair: Kings
[Apr 3 19:50:30] : andyman64 wins $80.50 with Pair: Kings
[Apr 3 19:50:39] : Hand is over
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Old 04-05-2006, 11:59 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Don't posts results for better analysis. As for the hand, I would just check/fold the turn. What do you think he would check/call the flop with and then bet out with on the turn? The river bet screams "I have a little something, please let me show this down".
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Old 04-05-2006, 11:59 AM #3 (permalink)  
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this is my favourite part of the post
it looks like angry boobs
 
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Old 04-05-2006, 11:59 AM #4 (permalink)  
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this is my favourite part of the post
it looks like angry boobs
 
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Old 04-05-2006, 01:00 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 That'd be one heck of a weird bluff if it was one. You raised the flop, so you declared you had a good hand. So now he's gonna try to bluff you out of it with nothing? This is not the best move by your opponent, as you should have no hard time folding here with an overcard on the board. He shoulda check/raised you.

EDIT: ah looked at what he had. With KT he should have check/called to a showdown. Ofcourse you're probably more interested in what you should have done.. but that's a really easy fold for me there, in this context.
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Old 04-05-2006, 01:53 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Don't base people's preflop decisions with what they would do postflop. You can raise any of this guy's limps preflop, because you know it is mostly junk. Postflop is a lot different though, I would probably not call down unless you have a very strong read on this player...look at what he does postflop on other hands before doing this. Loose preflop does not equal loose postflop. Looking at what this guy did on this hand, raise his limps anytime you are getting into a hand with him and then hit a hand and make him pay through the nose, cause he overvalues top pair weak kicker.
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Old 04-05-2006, 01:53 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Don't base people's preflop decisions with what they would do postflop. You can raise any of this guy's limps preflop, because you know it is mostly junk. Postflop is a lot different though, I would probably not call down unless you have a very strong read on this player...look at what he does postflop on other hands before doing this. Loose preflop does not equal loose postflop. Looking at what this guy did on this hand, raise his limps anytime you are getting into a hand with him and then hit a hand and make him pay through the nose, cause he overvalues top pair weak kicker.
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Old 04-05-2006, 02:30 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I fold the turn. We can pick better spots, like top pair kinds of hands. Why are we trying to catch this guy with garbage?

As for all the double posting, why is the forum so freakin' slow lately? I'm sure that's at the root of the doubles.
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Old 04-05-2006, 03:03 PM #9 (permalink)  
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We all fold the turn. You don't even have top pair, he has displayed strength twice - he could have K2 and you still only have 2 outs here.

You have second pair on the turn. Let's imagine a near-equivalent situation in which you hold A6 instead, which also gives you 2nd pair on the turn. Would that be enough to call his big bet?

You are being blinded by QQ's potential strength here, simple as that.
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Old 04-06-2006, 01:30 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Very helpful replies, everyone. I appreciate the insight, and I am learning some things about what I need. The A6 example really opened my eyes to a problem with my game. I definitely was blinded by the QQ and not thinking "2nd pr". WOW
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