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Keilah
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06-20-2008, 11:11 PM
Post subject: I hate this spot
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Full House
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Villain is TAG and seems decent. I really need to learn how to handle these.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP2 ($90.30)
MP3 ($285.65)
CO ($99.40)
Button ($23.60)
SB ($53.05)
BB ($99.30)
UTG ($96.05)
Hero ($95.60)
MP1 ($105.55)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K , K .
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, MP3 calls $4, 4 folds.
Flop: ($9.50) J , 4 , 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP3 raises to $17
What's the plan for the rest of the hand? Assume the turn and river are blanks.
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badgers
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Don't bet small and induce a raise if you are unsure about how to respond when he does raise.
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Keilah
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Fair enough.
But at any bet size, this is a tough spot. If I'd bet 3/4 pot it'd be the same.
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badgers
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Originally Posted by Keilah
Fair enough.
But at any bet size, this is a tough spot. If I'd bet 3/4 pot it'd be the same.
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No. This bet sizing is just awful imo, you have either given him the pot or given yourself an excuse to call down when you have two outs. As played I think I just fold and curse myself for betting so small and balancing villains range for him.
If you had bet $7 it's a lot tougher to be bluff raised. It is a very read dependant spot imo, against some tags it's a trivial snap-fold, against others I would call and c/f turn, b/f river.
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Keilah
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What i meant is that this spot happens a lot when I bet $7 and my question is, what then?
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ATOTHEC101
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as badgers pointed out its oppenent and read dependant if you get raised after betting 3/4s pot on a dry flop like this. If hes a decent tag he realises how tight your ep raising range is and i doubt hes raising here without the goods. As played i really dont want to fold just due your weak flop bet and that he could be doing this with a ton of his range. Even so i still fold as you have little invested and the likleyhood he has a set here is high.
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aka_red
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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101
as badgers pointed out its oppenent and read dependant if you get raised after betting 3/4s pot on a dry flop like this. If hes a decent tag he realises how tight your ep raising range is and i doubt hes raising here without the goods. As played i really dont want to fold just due your weak flop bet and that he could be doing this with a ton of his range. Even so i still fold as you have little invested and the likleyhood he has a set here is high.
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i disagree i think if hes good hell realize that you can continue with like 7% of your range and fuck you in the mouth everytime this situation occurs.
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[11:11] <+bikes> bitches love your face
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Keilah
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Yes exactly which is what makes it a hard decision for me.
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your an idiot than. this decison is 2ez.
welcome to the big leagues champ.
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[11:11] <+bikes> bitches love your face
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Keilah
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You realize making posts like that makes you look like a total ass, don't you?
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oh no i didnt. im not smart enough to realize how my actions will be perceived by others. but now that you mention it im sorry and will lose sleep over it.
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[11:11] <+bikes> bitches love your face
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fat-b
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Ok no need to start a new topic. Got the same kind of hand imo. Here i 3b QQ OTB , a pretty decent hand, the _ THIRD _ best hand i no limit holdem poker the cadillac of pokar baby. Anyway i get 2 calls ! cant say im TO HAPPY ABOUT THAT. Anyway i flop topset , but as you can see there is a FD out there and a straightdraw , witch makes me bout a 9:11 :13 underdog if they both have hudge draws. Is this really an easy call? Not sure if its right to stick the rest of my stack in ..
Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
CO: $194
Hero (BTN): $252.15
SB: $198
BB: $232.35
UTG: $837
MP: $318.60
Pre-Flop: Q Q dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero raises to $20, SB folds, BB calls $18, UTG calls $14
Flop: ($61) Q 6 T (3 Players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $42, BB raises to $126, UTG raises to $817 and is All-In, Hero ???
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AnTman_69
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Haha. The above hand is nothing like the original hand at all. haha.
Sorry.
Easy call...ur a huge favourite.
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Keilah
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I'm going to go ahead and assume this second hand is a joke.
Fold obv.
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I do think bet sizing is the key here. Maybe. I dunno. Is a PSB out of question here? At $100NL would a decent TAG be prepared to felt Jx here against an EP raiser?
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Keilah
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yes ;[ i don't know how best to handle this. If I fold I'm exploitable. If I play on then I have to hope he's bluffing.
As I see it I need a read that tells me how often he's doing this sort of thing but that's pretty hard when I'm a multitabling HUDbot.
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nutsinho
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i was referring to fatb's hand with that comment but now that im sober im like 100% sure it was a joke
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My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
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Keilah
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oh yah obviously. I hope you were high and not just drunk on that one ;[
Tell me what to do with my hand plz.
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i'd probably do the call + c/f + b/f line, if his turn bet is consistent with a set. If the turn is a blank and he bets a ton i'd happily ship on him though. On this dry of a board people try to really string you along with their turn bet sizing when they have a set.
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aka_red
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i think you should figure it out yourself and quit being a little girl and asking everyone to hold your hand.
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[11:11] <+bikes> bitches love your face
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Keilah
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Then wtf is this forum for.
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