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Old 07-05-2006, 09:38 PM     Post subject: I hate this hand! (KK reraised pf OOP...line check) #1 (permalink)  
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KK = shit! maybe not, but I've lost a lot with it lately, and almost never get away from it when OOP and starting with over a 20bb pot on the flop, unless it's an ace flop or with nitty reads.

Anyways...what do you think of my line? No reads at all.


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Texas Hold'em $0.50 NL (real money), hand #677,585,274
Table Poway, 3 Jul 2006 9:23 PM ET

Seat 1: jackaroe1 ($24.40 in chips)
Seat 2: bamajh33 ($78.50 in chips)
Seat 3: fab5freddyp ($99.45 in chips)
Seat 4: fatslobdrunk [ :Kc:,:Kd: ] ($52.00 in chips)
Seat 5: psufan0 ($55.60 in chips)
Seat 6: PorterDK ($47.25 in chips)
Seat 7: amun-ra ($36.05 in chips)
Seat 8: NOVA.SCOTIA ($46.95 in chips)
Seat 9: Paul_S1 ($14.95 in chips)
Seat 10: robmeyer12 ($23.30 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
fatslobdrunk posts blind ($0.25), psufan0 posts blind ($0.50).

PRE-FLOP
PorterDK calls $0.50, 5 folds, bamajh33 bets $2, 1 folds, fatslobdrunk bets $6 (reraise more??), 2 folds, bamajh33 calls $4.25.

FLOP [board cards ,, ] POT=$14
fatslobdrunk bets $12, bamajh33 calls $12.

TURN [board cards ,,, ] POT=$38
fatslobdrunk checks, bamajh33 bets $10, fatslobdrunk bets $34 (all-in), bamajh33 calls $24.

I'm not sure about the check/raise. Maybe lead/fold? I tried repping missed overs and figured worse pairs might call and I have some equity against a non-nut flush. If he had 88/44 I didn't think I could get away from it since I didn't have a read.
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Old 07-05-2006, 09:43 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Renton will become famous soon enough
 this looks standardly played
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Old 07-05-2006, 09:57 PM #3 (permalink)  
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ok, cool, thx. maybe im hitting lots of variance then.
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Old 07-05-2006, 10:37 PM #4 (permalink)  
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You can either reraise preflop and fold to a push; or just call preflop for set value.

Or push if you can live with getting stacked by AA.
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Old 07-05-2006, 10:50 PM #5 (permalink)  
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its tough, in this spot if you lead the turn, you're probably commited to a raise behind and only getting worse hands to fold.

i think this way is good especially considering the weakish bet he makes when checked too.

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Old 07-05-2006, 10:51 PM #6 (permalink)  
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A converter that works for Ongame (Hollywood/PokerRoom/etc) is here:

http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter

Don't forget to select FTR in the settings menu-- otherwise it defaults to ITH which doesn't work well on this board.

Let me guess-- this guy open raised 84o, right? Ad2d? Oh-- I know! 7d2d! [As you can guess, I really can't tell what the hell the players on Hollywood are doing. Maybe they're just that good.]
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Let me guess-- this guy open raised 84o, right? Ad2d? Oh-- I know! 7d2d! [As you can guess, I really can't tell what the hell the players on Hollywood are doing. Maybe they're just that good.]
haha! you are close. he showed :Jd: :Td: and I never improved. what a bitch, but at least nobody said this was overplayed. it's hard to play oop with big pots on the flop.

and thanks for that link, I was wondering if theres a different converter.

and yea...seems like really different play at hollywood vs party so far - more loose calls. and the 2-6max games seem even better (or worse depending if they get lucky like this or not). it should be profitable after enough hands at least, as long as i dont pay off the draws/call-stations too much.
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Old 07-05-2006, 11:52 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 why is it i like to reraise to 8 and just push the flop at these stakes and watch worse hands call.
Id add especially on sites like pr and skins
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why is it i like to reraise to 8 and just push the flop at these stakes and watch worse hands call.
Id add especially on sites like pr and skins
i think this is getting lazy and results oriented.

The solution isnt always to just move one street ahead of the trouble and tell them to bet/raise harder.

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why is it i like to reraise to 8 and just push the flop at these stakes and watch worse hands call.
Id add especially on sites like pr and skins
i think this is getting lazy and results oriented.

The solution isnt always to just move one street ahead of the trouble and tell them to bet/raise harder.
i realise how true this is, its just that i did this against small stakes players who were poor and made the most of their bad decision making.
They will make bad calls so i just made that bad into awful.

The hand was played right imo btw, just reraise to 8 or maybe 9/10.
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