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freechus9
Old 02-14-2006, 03:20 AM     Post subject: I HATE being OOP #1 (permalink)  
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What is your play here? No reads on villain..

Hand #11535803-14186 at Mcalester (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 13/Feb/06 23:16:05

IMAPornStar is at seat 0 with $5.
jchatton is at seat 1 with $7.75.
isthatallugot is at seat 2 with $11.85.
HoldmH1gh is at seat 3 with $16.27.
freechus is at seat 4 with $9.45.
tallpaul64 is at seat 5 with $2.69.
U-wong is at seat 6 with $3.30.
Whlgnr is at seat 7 with $16.93.
2Sure is at seat 8 with $9.22.
asshgrrs is at seat 9 with $2.40.
The button is at seat 1.

isthatallugot posts the small blind of $.05.
HoldmH1gh posts the big blind of $.10.
IMAPornStar posts out of turn for $.10.

IMAPornStar: -- --
jchatton: -- --
isthatallugot: -- --
HoldmH1gh: -- --
freechus: As Ks
tallpaul64: -- --
U-wong: -- --
Whlgnr: -- --
2Sure: -- --
asshgrrs: -- --

Pre-flop:

freechus raises to $.60. tallpaul64 folds. U-wong
folds. Whlgnr re-raises to $2.05. 2Sure folds.
asshgrrs folds. IMAPornStar folds. jchatton folds.
isthatallugot folds. HoldmH1gh folds. freechus
calls.

Flop (board: 9d 3d 5h):

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Old 02-14-2006, 03:42 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Check/fold. No reason to believe he doesn't have a big pair.
 
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What if the flop was Axx or Kxx?
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Old 02-14-2006, 04:22 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I fold this pre-flop to the re-raise until someone gives me a good reason to call or 4-bet this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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I think half the time they would have QQ or less.. If you hit on the flop, then you can c/r a c-bet. If they 3-bet, then you can dump. Blank flop, I think check/folding works.
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I think half the time they would have QQ or less.. If you hit on the flop, then you can c/r a c-bet. If they 3-bet, then you can dump. Blank flop, I think check/folding works.
Doesn't sound like a winning plan to me. You do realize that if you play like that, any 2 cards are getting the best of you (even if they never 3-bet bluff)?

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I think half the time they would have QQ or less..
NH sir, I fold.
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Old 02-14-2006, 05:29 AM #7 (permalink)  
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What if the flop was Axx or Kxx?
Then you're playing for stacks. If you're worried about AA or KK you should have folded PF. With an A or K high flop you should be willing to die with this.

I CR all in.
 
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Old 02-14-2006, 07:35 AM #8 (permalink)  
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I fold this preflop. Against an average player, you stand to either win a small pot or lose a big one. AK plays badly against a reraise, esp out of position.
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Old 02-14-2006, 07:43 AM #9 (permalink)  
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I fold this preflop. Against an average player, you stand to either win a small pot or lose a big one. AK plays badly against a reraise, esp out of position.
agreed, although against a very agressive player who will 3-bet preflop with a very wide range I think this statement doesn't necessarily hold true. To the point where it's probably worth a call. (discuss?)

As far as playing OOP, yeah, it sucks.

More specifically, playing OOP in marginal situations (like this one) sucks. Just fold preflop...
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agreed, although against a very agressive player who will 3-bet preflop with a very wide range I think this statement doesn't necessarily hold true.
Up into the 200NL level you can pick most of these guys out with-in 2 or 3 orbits. Until then, everyone is too passive pre-flop until shown otherwise. Folding AKo to a positional re-raise from an unknown player is a far smaller mistake then continuing to play against AA/KK/QQ/AK out of position.
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