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Fnord

05-27-2005, 07:49 PM Post subject: I got owned (low content)

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$100 PL Hold'em
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Sargent1111 ( $138.7 )
Seat 3: megmac369 ( $204.2 )
Seat 6: rainman_mon ( $300.2 )
Seat 10: Fnord ( $91.05 )
Seat 8: oakirk ( $87.8 )
Seat 9: BOOKY7 ( $101.03 )
Seat 4: Kicks_66 ( $96.15 )
Seat 7: prepsage ( $90.75 )
Seat 2: yoyomoto ( $13.75 )
Seat 5: OkItilt ( $100 )
megmac369 posts small blind [$0.5].
Kicks_66 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Fnord [ Tc Th ]
rainman_mon calls [$1].
prepsage folds.
oakirk folds.
BOOKY7 calls [$1].
Fnord raises [$4].
Sargent1111 calls [$4].
yoyomoto folds.
megmac369 folds.
Kicks_66 folds.
rainman_mon calls [$3].
BOOKY7 calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, As, 3h ]
rainman_mon checks.
BOOKY7 checks.
Fnord bets [$12].
Sargent1111 calls [$12].
rainman_mon folds.
BOOKY7 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]
Fnord checks.
Sargent1111 bets [$15].
Fnord calls [$15].
** Dealing River ** [ 2d ]
Fnord checks.
Sargent1111 bets [$40].
Fnord calls [$40].
Sargent1111 shows [ Kd, Kc ] two pairs, aces and kings.
Fnord doesn't show [ Tc, Th ] two pairs, aces and tens.
Sargent1111 wins $148.5 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and kings.

$100 PL Hold'em Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Sargent1111 ( $248.57 )
Seat 7: Fnord ( $207.42 )
Seat 10: TheGunther ( $209.7 )
Seat 6: morocco111 ( $95.25 )
Seat 2: tonkathedog ( $135.1 )
Seat 3: prepsage ( $86.65 )
Seat 9: mrasdk ( $105.85 )
Seat 8: UtenTvil ( $65.95 )
Seat 5: OkItilt ( $107.05 )
morocco111 posts small blind [$0.5].
Fnord posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Fnord [ 3s 3d ]
UtenTvil calls [$1].
mrasdk raises [$4.5].
TheGunther folds.
Sargent1111 calls [$4.5].
tonkathedog folds.
prepsage folds.
OkItilt folds.
morocco111 folds.
Fnord calls [$3.5].
UtenTvil calls [$3.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, 8c, 3c ]
Fnord checks.
UtenTvil checks.
mrasdk bets [$10].
Sargent1111 calls [$10].
Fnord raises [$57.6].
UtenTvil folds.
mrasdk folds.
Sargent1111 calls [$47.6].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
Fnord bets [$140.7].
Sargent1111 is all-In.
Fnord is all-In.
** Dealing River ** [ 7c ]
Fnord shows [ 3s, 3d ] three of a kind, threes.
Sargent1111 shows [ 4c, 6c ] a straight flush, eight high.
Sargent1111 wins $41.15 from side pot #1 with a straight flush, eight high.
Sargent1111 wins $431.34 from the main pot with a straight flush, eight high.

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05-27-2005, 08:06 PM

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im sorry, but WHAT A FKIN RETARD on that 2nd hand... you got owned 1st hand yes though

takes a big man to admit it.

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05-27-2005, 08:16 PM

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LAggy player and I tried to play showdown poker with him limit style in the first hand. I really admire his river value bet with KK. He had my number on a couple smaller hands too.

I shut down both tables after the second hand. $100PL just wasn't my game today and I've learned enough to just walk away...

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05-27-2005, 08:19 PM

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thats why i don't like raising JJ-99 preflop. you might win more pots by raising them, but you will winner bigger pots by limping them. not only are they hidden sets, but they hard to play postflop after a PFR because of overcards.

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05-27-2005, 08:21 PM

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I like to raise pre-flop and buy out the button. It's just my style.

Also, consider that it's harder to get your money in with a set when you limp into a pot.

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05-27-2005, 08:22 PM

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LAggy player and I tried to play showdown poker with him limit style in the first hand. I really admire his river value bet with KK.

I'm curious Fnord, why stay in that hand? He cold called your flop bet, bet into your on the turn and river pretty aggressively... what did you put him on? I know you said he was LAggy but it's hard to imagine him holding anything that you beat with tens.

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05-27-2005, 08:24 PM

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Also, consider that it's harder to get your money in with a set when you limp into a pot.

how so?

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05-27-2005, 08:24 PM

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I'm curious Fnord, why stay in that hand? He cold called your flop bet, bet into your on the turn and river pretty aggressively... what did you put him on?

2 cards. He'd been betting big with nothing in other pots and calling my flop bets quite frequently, so we're not talking about some passive fish. I figured the turn was a bet when checked to thing and called. Which brings us the river.... Looked like a buy to me. Probably a leak. Heck, staying in that seat was a bad idea.

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05-27-2005, 08:26 PM

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Also, consider that it's harder to get your money in with a set when you limp into a pot.

how so?

With 100+BB stacks it takes more pot size bets to get there. With less money in the pot weaker hands are more inclined to fold (or call, then fold) before lots of money gets into the pot.

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05-27-2005, 08:34 PM

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Also, consider that it's harder to get your money in with a set when you limp into a pot.

how so?

Bigger pot from the get go makes more action.

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05-27-2005, 08:38 PM

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i think that depends on table texture. at some tables you would just chase the 'action' away with the aggression, right?

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05-27-2005, 08:59 PM

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For a while, until they get sick of it and loosen the hell up to go after you some. Most tables you want the pot warmed up so that there's something to fight over. Also if you raise pre-flop, you chase out a lot of crap hands but usually keep in hands with high cards - so if you flop a set and they flop top pair, that's a recipe for taking a lot of their chips. The pot's already big and they're ready for aggression.

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05-27-2005, 09:02 PM

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Fnord, i admire your limit play alot and hope to learn alot more from you... but in hand 1, he really loves his hand, looks like you either have to toss it, or showdown and pay off the 3 aces (tho your read was right, he didnt have em)

hand 2 bad beat .

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05-27-2005, 09:13 PM

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Not really. Just represent an overpair or top pair, and if you're called, check-fold or perhaps check-call to the river. You'll very often either have the best hand, and you'll win the pot right there, or you'll have the worst hand, and your opponent will fold the better one (e.g., if your opponent has K-Q and the flop comes A, Q, 3 and you lead out with J-J).

You flop a set with 10-10 or J-J with the same frequency if your policy is to limp with these hands or raise with them, why do you say you'll win biggers pots if you don't raise preflop? The hands that will tend to pay off your set are the hands that will call a raise preflop. In addition, if you raise preflop with these hands, you'll win a larger pot on the flop if your opponents fold than if you hadn't, and so it seems that you will, on average, tend to be win a larger pot with a set of 10's or J's if you raise before the flop.

Another point worth noting is that, if you don't raise before the flop with these hands (10-10 and J-J), you'll often find yourself in the very awkward circumstance of having to play an overpair in an unraised pot. This can sometimes end up being a fairly costly situation, and is almost never a profitable one.

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05-27-2005, 09:52 PM

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hand 2 bad beat .

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