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ninconvert
Old 04-04-2007, 03:21 AM     Post subject: Was I getting good pot odds / implied odds here... ? #1 (permalink)  
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Hey, I'm not a very epxerienced player. I am familiar with the concepts of pot odds etc but most hands don't require fast on the fly decisions like this one did. I had several tables open so I had to think fast. Ultimately I'm not sure whether the play was correct or not I'd like your feedback.

This was a loose table...




Everest Poker — Hand Details
Hand ID: 1348136085
Table ID: -57904154
Play Mode: Real Money
Table Name: Riga-1
Game Type: Hold'em
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
Stakes: $0.10/$0.10
Currency: USD
Starting Date: 2007-04-04 GMT
Starting Time: 03:02:22 GMT



Seating Arrangement:

Axel_ber is at seat 1 with $11.65.
nico233 is at seat 2 with $8.15.
Bonom-X is at seat 3 with $24.30.
cj@vv is at seat 5 with $12.18.
eggi99 is at seat 6 with $9.35.
ninconvert is at seat 7 with $10.11.
Richi1965 is at seat 8 with $16.72.
Coimbras is at seat 9 with $2.89.

Post Blinds:

The button is at seat 9.
Axel_ber posts the small blind of $0.05.
nico233 posts the big blind of $0.10.

Deal Pocket Cards:

Axel_ber: -- --
nico233: -- --
Bonom-X: -- --
cj@vv: -- --
eggi99: -- --
ninconvert: 9h Ah
Richi1965: -- --
Coimbras: -- --

Pre-flop:
Coimbras says "lol"
Bonom-X folds.
cj@vv folds.
Coimbras says "nh"
eggi99 raises $0.80.
Bonom-X says "thx"
ninconvert calls $0.80.
Richi1965 folds.
Coimbras folds.
Axel_ber folds.
nico233 calls $0.70.


Flop (6d 10h 7h):
nico233 raises $0.10.
eggi99 raises $2.75.
ninconvert calls $2.75.
nico233 raises $7.25.
eggi99 calls $4.60.
ninconvert calls $4.60.


Turn (6d 10h 7h 9c):
eggi99 raises $1.20.
ninconvert calls $1.20.


River (6d 10h 7h 9c Jd):

Showdown:
eggi99 shows Qh Qs.
eggi99 has 9c 10h Jd Qh Qs: Pair
ninconvert shows 9h Ah.
ninconvert has 9h 9c 10h Jd Ah: Pair
nico233 shows 8d 5c.
nico233 has 7h 8d 9c 10h Jd: Straight


Pot Summary:
Total Pot: $26.90
nico233 wins $23.28.
eggi99 wins $2.28.
House Rake: $1.34
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Old 04-04-2007, 04:43 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 1). even at a 10NL table, i am not calling an 8x BB raise with A-9s with only 100xBB stacks.

2). shove flop
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Old 04-04-2007, 05:56 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
1). even at a 10NL table, i am not calling an 8x BB raise with A-9s with only 100xBB stacks.

2). shove flop
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Old 04-04-2007, 07:22 AM #4 (permalink)  
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1). even at a 10NL table, i am not calling an 8x BB raise with A-9s with only 100xBB stacks.

2). shove flop
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Old 04-04-2007, 06:45 PM #5 (permalink)  

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You proberly couldnt do anything more wrong than you did in this hand.
You will only hit a flush 1 out of 120 times on the flop with your hand. You will hit 2 pair about 1:22 so youre in trouble right away.
A flush draw only got implied odds against the worst players, if you good want implied odds then call with hands like 79s and see if you can hit a great flop because your hand is much more disguised that way.
When people see 3 hearts then shut down and dont pay much more but with a J-10-8 flop someone is going to get stuck with his J at this level or someone slowplaying a big hand like KK AA QQ cant get away from it.
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Old 04-04-2007, 08:09 PM #6 (permalink)  
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You will only hit a flush 1 out of 120 times on the flop with your hand.
WTF...over

Edit: OH I GET IT! You mean you are only going to FLOP a flush one out of every 120 times.

Doesn't matter, fold PF. Find a way to get the money in on the flop.
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ninconvert
Old 04-11-2007, 03:06 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Hey, thanks for the advice, I still got a lot to learn

Assuming the pre flop call was bad, which I agree it was. Was the flop call completeyl retarded? Baring in mind the flush and inside straight draw?

When it was reraised and called by one person was there enough money in the pot them to give me the odds? Even if I'd played incorrectly up until that point?

Just curious, trying to get the odds locked down in my mind.

Thanks again for the replies
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Old 04-11-2007, 08:59 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Pushing with an overcard + inside straight + flush draw is the right play. In this instance if you get HU with the QQ...

pokenum -h ah 9h - qh qs -- 6d th 7h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 6d Th 7h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ah 9h 509 51.41 472 47.68 9 0.91 0.519
Qs Qh 472 47.68 509 51.41 9 0.91 0.481

even if not, the equity you need in this spot to break even is 33.3% and you have just over 48%

pokenum -h ah 9h - qh qs - 8d 5c -- 6d th 7h
Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing 6d Th 7h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ah 9h 434 48.06 463 51.27 6 0.66 0.483
Qs Qh 285 31.56 612 67.77 6 0.66 0.318
5c 8d 178 19.71 719 79.62 6 0.66 0.199
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