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Old 10-15-2008, 09:01 AM     Post subject: I feel your pain Mr. Hellmuth #1 (permalink)  
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I can't think of another time I even considered folding QQ preflop.
Standard?

-MP2 is 17/9/2.2 w/ 3bet% of 4, over ~150 hands and pretty competent and UTG+1 is just and uber donk somewhere around 65/5

- I was even nervous just to call behind thinking UTG+1 might go apeshit and shove causing a cascading effect and making me fold if MP2 isolate shoves
- Coming over the top just seemed donkish since MP2 is repping a narrow range

Should I be playing this purely for set value and fold if no Q comes?

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BB ($4.70)
UTG ($64.20)
UTG+1 ($10)
MP1 ($103.45)
MP2 ($76.20)
Hero (CO) ($59.05)
Button ($8.05)
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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.50, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $3, Hero calls $3, 2 folds, BB calls $2.50, UTG+1 calls $1.50

Flop: ($12.25) 9, 8, 3 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.50, MP2 raises to $7 HERO WANTS TO SHIT A BRICK
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:13 AM #2 (permalink)  

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is folding QQ preflop really an option here ? I would definitely have called also preflop, not raised.

but MP2 raising on this flop following a preflop raise might indicate 3 possible hands :

flush draw
starting suited connectors like JQ or JT
pocket pair

I'd definitely bet on MP2 having pocket T/pocket J...
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is folding QQ preflop really an option here ?
No, but it definately crossed my mind

I dont think he's 3-betting 10J and QJ especially from MP

I thought more along the lines of 88+ and AQs+

If it was a flush draw in that range then 10's and J's is the only thing I have decent equity against
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Old 10-15-2008, 03:23 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Played fine, now fold.
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