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mxiu
Old 04-09-2006, 01:36 AM     Post subject: I don't like how I played this hand... #1 (permalink)  
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I don't like playing for deep stacks with TPTK. What do you guys think of each spot? If you lead the turn, how much do you lead for?

PokerStars Game #4565849926: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/04/08 - 21:30:20 (ET)
Table 'Aludra III' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: JCM1980 ($37 in chips)
Seat 2: XbonezX ($128.95 in chips)
Seat 3: Thrane ($114.55 in chips)
Seat 4: InsaneCane2 ($94.60 in chips)
Seat 5: Onceniceace ($37.45 in chips)
Seat 6: RbfbGm ($108.20 in chips)
Seat 7: JBalls99 ($94.45 in chips)
Seat 8: Majin Legacy ($195.15 in chips)
Seat 9: Safe_out ($124.75 in chips)
JBalls99: posts small blind $0.50
Majin Legacy: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Majin Legacy [Ah Kc]
Safe_out: calls $1
JCM1980: folds
XbonezX: folds
Thrane: raises $3 to $4
InsaneCane2: folds
Onceniceace: folds
InsaneCane2 leaves the table
RbfbGm: folds
JBalls99: folds
Majin Legacy: calls $3
Safe_out: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [5c Qd As]
Majin Legacy: checks
Safe_out: bets $4
Thrane: folds
Majin Legacy: raises $12 to $16
Safe_out: calls $12
*** TURN *** [5c Qd As] [Ts]
Majin Legacy: checks
Safe_out: bets $25
Majin Legacy: calls $25
*** RIVER *** [5c Qd As Ts] [3d]
Majin Legacy: checks
Safe_out: bets $50
Majin Legacy: calls $50
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Old 04-09-2006, 02:00 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I like your play preflop and on flop. After someone calls my 3x check/raise alarms start going off in my head. At this point I'm pretty sure you are beat.. Villain has 55 or AQ I think.

Turn: Check/Fold to any substantial bet
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Old 04-09-2006, 05:01 AM #3 (permalink)  
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there's a lot of ways you can play this hand, i wouldn't mind flat-calling flop for pot control.
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Old 04-09-2006, 07:16 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 I wouldn't call 125bb deep stacks....

Preflop sometimes I raise here, sometimes I call. Really depends on the opponent. If raiser has a really tight PFR range I'll just fold. Playing AKo 3 way OOP here without inititive just sucks though.

I'm tempted to lead at this flop to more clearly define both of your opponents' hands. I'm really not a big fan of the c/r here, especially against the guy who wasn't the preflop raiser. You're just going to build a huge pot out of position with a hand you're clearly not going to the felt with. It's also not concealed by any stretch of the imagination.

Turn kinda sucks, and a lot of what I do here depends on the opponent. If I think there's a reasonable chance that I'm ahead and that he will check behind worse hands on the river then I'll call. The board is pretty nasty though, so there are a ton of hands that beat you.

River check/fold. What are you ahead of, other then a float and 2 stone cold bluffs?
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Old 04-09-2006, 11:10 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Usually I would lead the flop. Sometimes, I may play the flop like you here. But the turn is really bad based on your flop play.

If you are going to c/r the flop you HAVE to lead or check/fold the turn. Checking gives permission to your opponent to bluff or bet many hands that you are beating.

If you think his flop action indicates a hand that beats you, don't put in another dime. If you think there is a good chance you are ahead, put in a bet for value, and to block a bluff.

The river is... gross... you clearly have no idea where you are in the hand, and it is way to expensive to find out that you are beat.
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Old 04-09-2006, 05:11 PM #6 (permalink)  
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River check/fold. What are you ahead of, other then a float and 2 stone cold bluffs?
There is one hand I beat, and basically the only reason I had behind calling. (Although I'm obviously beat by pretty much any other hand here)

Opp flipped AJ.

I'm not a big fan of re-raising AKo in BB. I find it's hard to play OOP when you don't flop TPTK. I figure I can take a cheap flop and drop it if it doesn't look promising. (Although it's not like I did that either)

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Old 04-10-2006, 09:29 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by piratepeaty
If you are going to c/r the flop you HAVE to lead or check/fold the turn. Checking gives permission to your opponent to bluff or bet many hands that you are beating.
Meh, I like to let people bluff at me after I've beat them over the head with air a few times. So many guys in that game value bet way too weak when they suck out anyway. Now if they would just $*&^ stop hitting runner-runner on me quite so often...

Re: the hand. The only thing you beat on the turn is exactly AJ. I check/fold the turn.
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Old 04-13-2006, 03:52 AM #8 (permalink)  

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How bad would raising pre-flop be here? (I'm still a bit of a noob) Probably knock out the limper, and give the raiser a decision to make. I realize you won't always get your ace, but when an A or K comes, you can have a bit more confidence in your hand.
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Old 04-13-2006, 09:12 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I'm not a big fan of your reraise after flop. I dont think its a terrible play, but personally I avoid building a pot too quickly when I'm only moderately strong. Either way, this play as a whole is a plus money play for you. He was probably going to call you down even w/out the J. You just got outdrawn.
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Old 04-13-2006, 09:15 PM #10 (permalink)  
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i like leading the flop here. i usually only raise preflop when i have position or when theres lots of money in the pot that i can pickup by reraising
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