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Running Gag
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03-16-2005, 05:38 AM
Post subject: I don't even know anymore
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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Position: I'm on the button, and in this hand I'm against the SB.
Stack sizes: There are 4 places left, only first place gets paid. Blinds are 50/100 and because of all the rebuys in the first half hour, there are 13,000 chips on the table. I have 2200, SB has 2500, and the chipleader has 7000+. Other guy is negligible.
Reads: Chipleader's tight aggressive, but still overvalues paint and small pps (thinks KJ, QJ, and KQ are raise and reraise hands from early position at a 10 man table. He got earlier lucky today when he called off half his stack preflop with pocket 4s against pocket As and pocket Ks and flopped quads). SB is weird. He's loose as hell, calling 5XBB raises with J5 and J10 (and incidentally flopping a full boat when I had AKs), though he does fold when he thinks he's beat. Earlier today I took almost his entire stack when my pocket Queens took down his Q5 (?!)).
I get Ad 6h on the button, and decide to make a play for the blinds. I raise 5x the BB and the chipleader and the shortstack both fold. SB thinks about it for a while, shows his friend the chipleader who laughs, and then calls. At this point, he could have anything, though I don't think it's even a Group 32525323 hand.
Flop comes down Kd Js 6c, and I feel he's weak. I raise 400, just under half the pot, and he calls, which makes me wary, but still leads me to believe I have him beat.
Turn is an 8d. He checks, and I check (My fatal error here, I think).
River is an 8c, and he bets a small 200. I raise all-in, and he stops to think for a while (he is actually capable of thinking about his opponent's hand at times). Earlier today I'd pulled this move on him when I raised 5x the BB with pocket Queens and he called, incredibly, with Q5. He'd flopped two pair, and I'd pulled the same tactic, that is, betting the flop, checking the turn, and raising all in on the river.
After a long time, he finally calls, and shows down 8s 5c to take me out.
Now, I know it was stupid of me to check the turn, when he still only had 8s and I could've won it, but it still blows me away that he'd call on the flop with absolutely nothing. He had almost no outs, period, against the K or J (which I was repping), and even 9 high was beating him. Why would he call off a quarter of his remaining stack on absolutely nothing?
This has been bothering me, because I play with these people all the time, and I can't seem to win because of stuff like this. I can't put people on hands at all, and it seems the level of play wouldn't change if we weren't playing for any money at all.
In any case, I'm just frustrated. Anybody have any comments on the HH?
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Kiriath
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Straight
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Denmark
Posts: 216
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play higher stakes.
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JeffreyGB
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Jenks, OK
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Kiriath, I'm thinking this may have been a home game...
To Running Gag: basically, you have to be careful about bluffing these players. If they're going to call with that crap without any apparent reason, then you need to actually have a hand when they do call. I'd slow down and work on pulling the money out of them when you have it.
- Jeffrey
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Spook
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03-16-2005, 04:46 PM
Post subject: Re: I don't even know anymore
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 388
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Originally Posted by Running Gag
This has been bothering me, because I play with these people all the time, and I can't seem to win because of stuff like this. I can't put people on hands at all, and it seems the level of play wouldn't change if we weren't playing for any money at all.
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I've had this issue, and I suggest you try this: see if you can talk them into playing one night (a week or so down the road) for 3-4x the buyin that you usually play for. You might also try to work a more generous payout structure.. at least 60/40 (I like 50/30/20 better if you have 9-10 people). Tell them its just for kicks... whatever you think will work for them. I promise that when that game comes around you will see a big difference in the way they play. At least it worked for me, and after that the play in our regular game stepped up several notches as well.
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