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Old 05-19-2006, 07:01 PM     Post subject: I can't lay down a hand today...do you here? #1 (permalink)  
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3 hands from today's session 3-4 tabling NL $25 at party. Results witheld awaiting comments. No pre-assumption that I lost all of these.

Only 16 hands on villain here - he's 25/6 for those (unreliable).

I had a gut feeling that villain was on AQ/KQ here and trying to fake a set and bluff me out. So I slowplayed my AA on the turn.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($48)
SB ($9.45)
BB ($34.24)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($5.35)
MP1 ($6.71)
MP2 ($37.54)
MP3 ($24.30)
Hero ($25.90)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, A. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
5 folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.10) 5, Q, 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.5, BB raises to $5.44, Hero calls $3.94.

Turn: ($12.98) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $6.47, Hero calls $6.47.

River: ($25.92) 6 (2 players)
BB calls $21.33 (All-In), Hero calls $12.99 (All-In).

Final Pot: $60.24

23 hands on betting villain here - he's 34/0 (unreliable again, but obviously loose, probably mostly in limped pots).
Hard to judge what villain has here - could be 9x, Tx, KT, AJ, KQ/AQ, JJ, QQ, another flush draw, etc.
I'm not counting my overs as outs on the turn, I'm assuming the nut straight or flush will be good though, and the donkey in the middle gives me calling odds to chase it.
He leads the river - he's not scared of the flush - does he have a lower one, a straight, or a FH? I couldn't be sure and I felt I had to look it up here.
Also - I didn't continuation bluff the flop - figuring I'd just take the free card on this not so hot board, and probably end up calling or raising some weak turn bet.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($24.88)
BB ($26.66)
UTG ($26.45)
Hero ($31.10)
UTG+2 ($26.15)
MP1 ($47.80)
MP2 ($10.27)
MP3 ($10.30)
CO ($41.24)
Button ($29.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, A. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 6 folds, SB (poster) calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3) J, 9, Q (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($3) 9 (3 players)
SB bets $2, BB calls $2, Hero calls $2.

River: ($9) 3 (3 players)
SB bets $5, BB calls $5, Hero calls $5.

Final Pot: $24

No read on this guy - I was pretty new to the table.
I cont bluff heads up in this spot on a fairly drawless board with 2 overs and the gutshot draw. I'm smooth called - this happens all the time with just a pair, but could be a set - no way to know for sure against an unkown. But I play it safe and just check the turn to see whether or not I improve. I improve greatly, and he thinks for a little bit and then open-pushes the turn. A set boated on the turn, top two boated on the turn, TT goes for quads. My hand is probably pretty evident at this point and still he pushes. He's not pushing 1 Q here...I don't think he's pushing trip tens here, though he'd bet them.
I did not give myself time to think on this one - didn't insta-call but just about.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($7.50)
BB ($8.67)
UTG ($57.04)
UTG+1 ($31.30)
MP1 ($24.10)
MP2 ($24.54)
MP3 ($29.02)
CO ($41.31)
Hero ($24.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, 2 folds, UTG calls $1, MP3 folds.

Flop: ($3.10) 7, T, Q (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2, UTG calls $2.

Turn: ($7.10) T (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($7.10) J (2 players)
UTG bets $22.35, Hero calls $21.15 (All-In).

Final Pot: $50.60
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Old 05-19-2006, 07:03 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 and Hand 2 I play the same. Hand 3 FOOOLLLLLLD.

Never mind, I think I might actually put that guy all-in in Hand 2. I really think you have the best hand there and your opponents seem bad enough to call with worse ones.
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Old 05-19-2006, 09:36 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1) Goot

2) I usually raise the flop here w/ the nut flush draw, 2 overs, and position. I also push the river--this is not one of those "only better hands call" situations, IMO.

3) I would probably call like an idiot w/out thinking here, too, but your analysis is very good. I think it's a fold, but...geez, I dunno. At 25NL? It is possible he made a 89 and made a lower straight, that's about all you're beating there.
 
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Old 05-19-2006, 09:52 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 I would probably raise somewhere in #2. If not the flop, I definitely bet my nut flush on the river. Your flop line is fine though, free cards are good cards.

Is #3 really worth a call? How many times do you think your straight will be good here? You only have $3 invested and another $22 to call.....

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Old 05-20-2006, 12:08 AM #5 (permalink)  
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#1 fine

#2 i think you played this way too passive - bet flop, raise river

#3 this is read dependant but i would lean towards fold usually
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Old 05-20-2006, 12:44 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - g00t

Hand 2 - either bet the flop or raise the turn (hard). Then raise the river

Hand 3 - this is a tough one. I really don't know here, so I would probably say fold but call cos I'm an idiot
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Old 05-20-2006, 01:58 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Reraise the flop to find out where you are.By just calling you are pricing him back in if he is on a donk draw.Most mororns wouldn't play a set like that;I doubt he has it.On the turn I would reraise/push.

Hand 2:You absolutely must bet the flop.You raised preflop and both villains checked.Don't give them a free card if you're ahead,and find out now while it's cheaper if you're behind.

On the turn I would bet/fire again had you bet the flop.

River is tough;pray he doesn't have it.
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Old 05-20-2006, 06:12 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the replies.

Hand 1 - raise, reraise etc. comments - this guy was no dummy - he was intentionally trying to push me off, and half-thinking his hand was good - he had me as rock (post hand chat comments) and figured I would fold out thinking he had a set.
He flips AQ (so my instinct was right here) and I double up.

Hand 2 - Normally would bet the flop here - I opted for the free flop card because the second caller was an idiot and he'd give me something for my turned flush, even on the river - not a bundle, but reasonable bets - assuming he caught a little piece. First player hesitated a bit before checking - had a tiny bad feeling here.
Not many lead the turn out of position with a flush draw, and he's not afraid of the flush on the river - I think he overbets the pot on the turn if he has 9x. He might just 2/3 it with the Q but then he doesn't lead the river for much and would fold to a reraise.
Thus I just call the turn and river because my hand is too good to let go of given the pot odds.
First guy flips JJ for a FH jacks over 9s, second guy flips A3o for a pair of 3s (this guy was good).
I lose - could I have lost less? If I had continuation bluffed the flop he's definitely reraising - his mistake in giving me the free turn card. If he reraises the flop I might end up allin on this one with 2 possibly good overs nut flush and straight (albeit a gutshot) draws. So that's debatable.
Lesson in following my instincts again here - I felt beat on the river but made the call anyway - $5 loss there - and $8.25 overall so not a big mistake.

Hand 3 - this is a fairly obvious fold...I did a crappy job here of thinking the hand out as I am so used to being floated on by silly crap. However, this was a drawless board - top pair usually leads out here and most other pairs fold - but trips may slowplay. Terrible river card for me.
And terrible call given that I'm calling an open push when my hand is somewhat obvious given the action, and he doesn't care.
I should have taken my full clock on the river before deciding here - and looked back at the flop board - there is little action here to lead to a definite conclusion - but QT, TT, or 77, even QQ could certainly slowplay here and then they're just gold on the turn.
Villain flips QQ for a donk-limped UTG queens.
I lose a stack. Not terrible play, but bad river call - no instincts to cover me here whatsoever. Just need to remember to think before making these types of calls - it's pretty rare that I'm calling an open push of most of a stack into a small pot on a board like this where I'm ahead. Gotta drill that into my thick skull
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