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Maverick

03-28-2005, 03:44 AM Post subject: Was I against a set here?

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Hey I just folded KK to a guy who was really betting into me hard. I put him on a set with that AI...what do you think?

PokerStars Game #1428618181: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2005/03/27 -
23:36:15 (ET)
Table 'Tethys III' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: 1080nosegrab ($2.18 in chips)
Seat 2: remarkf ($5.75 in chips)
Seat 3: Dauthi13 ($3.42 in chips)
Seat 4: WatchoutMac ($1.98 in chips)
Seat 5: grim194 ($5.87 in chips)
Seat 6: PinaColadas ($7.37 in chips)
Seat 7: generd23 ($0.98 in chips)
Seat 8: ooMoneYoo ($2.38 in chips)
WatchoutMac: posts small blind $0.01
grim194: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PinaColadas [Kc Ks]
PinaColadas: raises $0.04 to $0.06
generd23: folds
ooMoneYoo: calls $0.06
1080nosegrab: calls $0.06
remarkf: folds
Dauthi13: folds
WatchoutMac: folds
grim194: calls $0.04
*** FLOP *** [Jd Tc 2s]
grim194: checks
PinaColadas: bets $0.20
ooMoneYoo: folds
1080nosegrab: folds
grim194: raises $0.54 to $0.74
PinaColadas: raises $1.26 to $2
grim194: raises $3.81 to $5.81 and is all-in
PinaColadas: folds
grim194 collected $4.05 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.25 | Rake $0.20
Board [Jd Tc 2s]
Seat 1: 1080nosegrab folded on the Flop
Seat 2: remarkf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Dauthi13 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: WatchoutMac (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: grim194 (big blind) collected ($4.05)
Seat 6: PinaColadas folded on the Flop
Seat 7: generd23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ooMoneYoo folded on the Flop

He wouldn't bet like that just with a straight draw would he? Any advice helpful, as this is one of the big leaks im working on plugging - calling these AI's when im doubtful.

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mcpeepants

03-28-2005, 04:21 AM

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Raise more preflop. 3 callers is too much.

I might call this just because it's 1/2 penny and people do really retarded shit like go all in with TP or straight draw or something.

Only 4 hands you are really concerned about here. 22, JJ, TT, or JT. I'm not comfortable going all in with an overpair, personally, but a lot of others would tell you to. Scroll down and read my "coming over the top of my AA..." post.

Maverick

03-28-2005, 04:29 AM

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thanks for the reply mcpeepants!

yes after raising I felt it was a little weak, possibly 5xBB next time (or more)

Yea I wasn't comfortable calling that big a raise as I didn't have a good read on him (hadn't been at table long)

Guess I'll just be more aggressive pre-flop to weed these people out.

thanks again!

mcpeepants

03-28-2005, 04:55 AM

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5xBB at LEAST in the 1/2 penny tables. People don't think of bets as BB related or pot related at these limits. They think of bets as being the money that they are. A raise of 6 cents wouldn't fold anybody that was going to call. Most would just think, oh, it's only 6 cents, and call.

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a500lbgorilla

03-28-2005, 05:14 AM

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Raise much more preflop.

Get it all in there on the flop. People will play weaker.

-'rilla

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Precisely.

mcpeepants

03-28-2005, 05:33 AM

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Rilla, I still don't get it. Do you think this guy is going crazy with TPTK?

Maverick

03-28-2005, 05:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mcpeepants

Yes I am beginning to realise people put little value into amount of BB bets your representing.

However the purpose of me playing in this fashion is to build some bankroll to move upto the 0.05-0.10 tables and play comfortably. If I start betting wildly (even though KK is nice) aren't I going to get a bigger variance in my roll?

See my problem? Can you beat this level playing 'properly?' Or is it all about just throwing your chips in early with strong starting hands? I'm enjoying building my skill, is this not possible at the micro tables?

Advice?

mcpeepants

03-28-2005, 06:04 AM

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Playing properly is raising enough to get 1-2 callers. It doesn't matter how many BB that is, you want to isolate! At higher money tables BB does matter. Raising 4xbb with AA and 3x with everything else would show that you have AA when you raise 4xbb. At the penny tables nobody pays attention to that. You want to squeeze the most money you can out of these people. It is most definitely about throwing your chips in early with strong starting hands.

I played 1/2 penny tables for a while and got sick of it really quickly. It's excruciatingly difficult to place people on hands. They will call 5xBB raises with complete crap. I think it is much more difficult to build your skill at micro limits than it is at higher limits. When you play 1/2 penny you aren't getting the same skills you would apply to the 1/2 dollar tables. At 1/2 penny you should play extremely straight forward and not be tricky at all. There is no point, nobody pays attention.

Shhhh, don't tell anybody but I moved up to .5/.10 before I was properly bankrolled. If you are patient and only play premium hands it is extremely easy to win here, I feel.

Maverick

03-28-2005, 06:23 AM

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Oh yea mcpeepants, I totally understand where your coming from with the...

"Playing properly is raising enough to get 1-2 callers. It doesn't matter how many BB that is, you want to isolate!"

What I was getting at is at this level there is no real consistent amount of BB that people listen to and thus it makes it difficult to:

a. know if your high PP is dominated
b. manage your roll as your always betting different amounts with these hands

I like to play poker, perhaps I should move up where you can get better reads on people. First id like to build my roll up a little more.

Ok i'll try going hard and fast pre-flop with KK and AA, how about:

A decent raise of perhaps 0.20-0.30 to weed out crap hands, and then push if people raise?

mcpeepants

03-28-2005, 01:50 PM

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If you are sitting on the button and 6 people have already called then if you raise .2 you are pretty damn likely to get a caller at that level. If the table is really loose than do it from early position to and see how that works out for you. If the table is too tight, then move tables! And if they push at you while you are holding cowboys or rockets then yes, push back!

Fnord

03-28-2005, 01:59 PM

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I just started playing NL again at the $200 level. I was using 3xBB raises, then realized that I get just about as many calls with 4xBB, sometimes even 5xBB. However, these guys will often fold on the flop where as at the lower levels you will have to show a hand more often.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Maverick

03-28-2005, 02:00 PM

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Thank you mcpeepants,

your really helping me get my game on track. I followed your advice and hit hard early with cowboys (bout a 0.20 raise early and it thins the field quite well)

TY

Yea fnord, im realising its a side-effect of playing a low limit NL game, some people will call you down with anything. Still i'm going to play the right way so if I ever move up I'll be in good practice.

thanks for the info as always.

a500lbgorilla

03-28-2005, 03:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mcpeepants

Rilla, I still don't get it. Do you think this guy is going crazy with TPTK?

I've been away from the small stakes for a little while, but I don't remember any days where I was frustrated with the lack of action from weaker hands.

-'rilla

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

mcpeepants

03-28-2005, 06:40 PM

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That's a good point rilla. What would it take for you to fold your AA/KK as an overpair in low stakes?

a500lbgorilla

03-28-2005, 07:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mcpeepants

That's a good point rilla. What would it take for you to fold your AA/KK as an overpair in low stakes?

A coordinated board and convincing action.

-'rilla

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
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Precisely.

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