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Old 02-15-2005, 08:04 PM     Post subject: How to Semi Bluff Succesfully #1 (permalink)  
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 ***** Hand History for Game 1595459742 *****
$200 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, February 15, 16:02:16 EDT 2005
Table Table 24981 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: TonyG86 ( $471.7 )
Seat 2: ktong007 ( $286.1 )
Seat 3: acesup86 ( $200 )
Seat 4: Raging__Bull ( $297.1 )
Seat 5: benj07 ( $406.95 )
Seat 6: steve_o1126 ( $236 )
Seat 7: SkateOrDie ( $194.3 )
Seat 8: RaleighStC ( $494.4 )
Seat 9: UBstyles ( $297.1 )
Seat 10: aztecgator ( $155.6 )
Raging__Bull posts small blind [$2].
benj07 posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to acesup86 [ 6h 5d ]
steve_o1126 calls [$4].
SkateOrDie folds.
>You have options at Table 25018 Table!.
RaleighStC calls [$4].
UBstyles folds.
TonyG86 calls [$4].
ktong007 calls [$4].
acesup86 calls [$4].
Raging__Bull calls [$2].
benj07 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, 3c, 4h ]
Raging__Bull checks.
benj07 bets [$26.6].
steve_o1126 calls [$26.6].
RaleighStC folds.
TonyG86 folds.
ktong007 folds.
acesup86 raises [$53.2].
Raging__Bull folds.
benj07 folds.
steve_o1126 calls [$26.6].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
steve_o1126 checks.
acesup86 bets [$85].
steve_o1126 folds.
acesup86 does not show cards.
acesup86 wins $243
ktong007 has left the table.

Sorry I am just throwing them up as I am playing them I dont have much time to type in stuff.....
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:11 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Aces these are some nice hands, but could you throw in a little more than just the history? Maybe some thoughts on why you played it this way, reads etc... That'd help me better than just the history.

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Old 02-15-2005, 08:18 PM #3 (permalink)  
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This one's pretty straight-forward really. He's repping a good hand on the flop - two pair or a set, the kind of hand you would want to raise someone else's bet with. When the opponent shows up weak on the turn, he bets him out. His actual cards don't mean much here except that he has outs if he gets called down.
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:19 PM #4 (permalink)  
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This one's pretty straight-forward really. He's repping a good hand on the flop - two pair or a set, the kind of hand you would want to raise someone else's bet with. When the opponent shows up weak on the turn, he bets him out. His actual cards don't mean much here except that he has outs if he gets called down.
Dale you are a very smart player why dont you move up!!! Your thoughts are my exact thoughts ...how about form now on you just explaing all my hand histories.
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:22 PM #5 (permalink)  
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It's killing me how weak-tight the $200NL tables seem to be.
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:23 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Dale you are a very smart player why dont you move up!!! Your thoughts are my exact thoughts ...how about form now on you just explaing all my hand histories.
Ha... I may do that. I like looking through and figuring out what you were thinking.

As far as moving up, it will be a while. I feel like I can play a good game but the swings I have suffered at times make me feel like maybe I'm not quite ready yet. I still need to find a way to always maintain discipline and not get too aggressive at the wrong times. You seem to pick a lot of the right spots... I'm more hit and miss. Seems like I always manage to run these plays against guys who have K2o and hit the king, and just won't let go even though their hand is technically pretty terrible.
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:23 PM #7 (permalink)  
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It's killing me how weak-tight the $200NL tables seem to be.
Real money's at stake.
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:26 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 How about this one dale??

***** Hand History for Game 1595550299 *****
$200 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, February 15, 16:24:41 EDT 2005
Table Table 24981 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: TonyG86 ( $313.8 )
Seat 3: acesup86 ( $245.8 )
Seat 4: Raging__Bull ( $313.6 )
Seat 6: steve_o1126 ( $168.4 )
Seat 7: SkateOrDie ( $172.55 )
Seat 8: RaleighStC ( $561.8 )
Seat 9: UBstyles ( $278.2 )
Seat 10: aztecgator ( $158.45 )
Seat 2: UtterMayhem ( $275 )
Seat 5: eltiger ( $258 )
UtterMayhem posts small blind [$2].
acesup86 posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to acesup86 [ 8d 9d ]
Raging__Bull folds.
eltiger folds.
steve_o1126 folds.
SkateOrDie folds.
RaleighStC folds.
UBstyles folds.
aztecgator folds.
TonyG86 raises [$12].
UtterMayhem calls [$10].
acesup86 calls [$8].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 2d, Jd ]
UtterMayhem checks.
acesup86 checks.
TonyG86 bets [$20].
UtterMayhem folds.
acesup86 raises [$50].
TonyG86 folds.
acesup86 does not show cards.
acesup86 wins $103
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:28 PM #9 (permalink)  
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It's killing me how weak-tight the $200NL tables seem to be.
Real money's at stake.
...so the more money is at stake, the more people are willing to lose by way of horrible, horrible weak play?
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:29 PM #10 (permalink)  
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It's killing me how weak-tight the $200NL tables seem to be.
Real money's at stake.
...so the more money is at stake, the more people are willing to lose by way of horrible, horrible weak play?
Bingo
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:31 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Time for me to move up *vigorous nod*
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:35 PM #12 (permalink)  
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This one's pretty straight-forward really. He's repping a good hand on the flop - two pair or a set, the kind of hand you would want to raise someone else's bet with. When the opponent shows up weak on the turn, he bets him out. His actual cards don't mean much here except that he has outs if he gets called down.
Yeah, that is pretty much what I thought. If the opp came out betting the turn, would you have called down for the flush if the odds were there or raised him again? I hardly ever get a fold when I make a play like this so I have quit trying them. Probably has to do with the limits I play.

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Old 02-15-2005, 08:40 PM #13 (permalink)  
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This one's pretty straight-forward really. He's repping a good hand on the flop - two pair or a set, the kind of hand you would want to raise someone else's bet with. When the opponent shows up weak on the turn, he bets him out. His actual cards don't mean much here except that he has outs if he gets called down.
Yeah, that is pretty much what I thought. If the opp came out betting the turn, would you have called down for the flush if the odds were there or raised him again? I hardly ever get a fold when I make a play like this so I have quit trying them. Probably has to do with the limits I play.

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Depends If I had a read that he would fold by all means I would of pushed all in he bet out on the turn. If not I would of folded if no pot odds or called if they were with me.
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How about this one dale??
My turn, looks like you read TonyG for AK/Q from the pre-flop raise and he tried to bet people off the pot when he missed so you repped a J with your raise.

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How about this one dale??
My turn, looks like you read TonyG for AK/Q from the pre-flop raise and he tried to bet people off the pot when he missed so you repped a J with your raise.


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How about this one dale??
Basically the same hand, but you got the fold you wanted on the flop. Repping AJ or a set of jacks, or something similar, and using the flush draw as an insurance policy...
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:43 PM #17 (permalink)  
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 Dont you just love these tight weak push overs?
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:45 PM #18 (permalink)  
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Yep, they're pretty much my favorites.
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:45 PM #19 (permalink)  
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How about this one dale??

***** Hand History for Game 1595550299 *****
$200 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, February 15, 16:24:41 EDT 2005
Table Table 24981 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: TonyG86 ( $313.8 )
Seat 3: acesup86 ( $245.8 )
Seat 4: Raging__Bull ( $313.6 )
Seat 6: steve_o1126 ( $168.4 )
Seat 7: SkateOrDie ( $172.55 )
Seat 8: RaleighStC ( $561.8 )
Seat 9: UBstyles ( $278.2 )
Seat 10: aztecgator ( $158.45 )
Seat 2: UtterMayhem ( $275 )
Seat 5: eltiger ( $258 )
UtterMayhem posts small blind [$2].
acesup86 posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to acesup86 [ 8d 9d ]
Raging__Bull folds.
eltiger folds.
steve_o1126 folds.
SkateOrDie folds.
RaleighStC folds.
UBstyles folds.
aztecgator folds.
TonyG86 raises [$12].
UtterMayhem calls [$10].
acesup86 calls [$8].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 2d, Jd ]
UtterMayhem checks.
acesup86 checks.
TonyG86 bets [$20].
UtterMayhem folds.
acesup86 raises [$50].
TonyG86 folds.
acesup86 does not show cards.
acesup86 wins $103
I am not Dale, but will give it a shot.

Based on the flop checks/bet - no on repped top pair or better, where as your bet is repping at least top pair and not giving pot odds to any drawers?
If you put all your faith in the river, you are up shit's creek
 
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:46 PM #20 (permalink)  
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How about this one dale??

***** Hand History for Game 1595550299 *****
$200 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, February 15, 16:24:41 EDT 2005
Table Table 24981 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: TonyG86 ( $313.8 )
Seat 3: acesup86 ( $245.8 )
Seat 4: Raging__Bull ( $313.6 )
Seat 6: steve_o1126 ( $168.4 )
Seat 7: SkateOrDie ( $172.55 )
Seat 8: RaleighStC ( $561.8 )
Seat 9: UBstyles ( $278.2 )
Seat 10: aztecgator ( $158.45 )
Seat 2: UtterMayhem ( $275 )
Seat 5: eltiger ( $258 )
UtterMayhem posts small blind [$2].
acesup86 posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to acesup86 [ 8d 9d ]
Raging__Bull folds.
eltiger folds.
steve_o1126 folds.
SkateOrDie folds.
RaleighStC folds.
UBstyles folds.
aztecgator folds.
TonyG86 raises [$12].
UtterMayhem calls [$10].
acesup86 calls [$8].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 2d, Jd ]
UtterMayhem checks.
acesup86 checks.
TonyG86 bets [$20].
UtterMayhem folds.
acesup86 raises [$50].
TonyG86 folds.
acesup86 does not show cards.
acesup86 wins $103
I am not Dale, but will give it a shot.

Based on the flop checks/bet - no on repped top pair or better, where as your bet is repping at least top pair and not giving pot odds to any drawers?
Come on you guys can Play Nl200 you just gotta hve the bank to play it and be able to make the descisions fast! You guys are smarter that you think just think before you act.
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:48 PM #21 (permalink)  
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Thanks for these hands... I think I may have found one of the reasons I don't get folds as often as I would like. I need to take into account the probability of the opponent having missed the board more when I semi-bluff. Then again they call down with anything so it seems semi-bluffing just isn't worth it at the .05/.1 NL tables....

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Old 02-15-2005, 08:50 PM #22 (permalink)  
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Come on you guys can Play Nl200
Yep.

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you just gotta hve the bank to play it
Doh.
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Old 10-27-2005, 12:05 AM #23 (permalink)  
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** Game ID 500719811 starting - 2005-09-16 16:12:27
** Still Small Voice [Hold 'em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- arilzo sitting in seat 1 with $20.60
- LadyJanet sitting in seat 2 with $36.22
- tickety-boo sitting in seat 3 with $25.30 [Dealer]
- Damrod sitting in seat 4 with $7.45
- Bloop sitting in seat 5 with $22.50
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 6 with $23.40
- tiger_shark sitting in seat 7 with $6.40
- jellow sitting in seat 8 with $15.80
- indy34 sitting in seat 9 with $10.20
- paferblo sitting in seat 10 with $4.75

Damrod posted the small blind - $0.10
Bloop posted the big blind - $0.20
** Dealing card to johnny291281: 3 of Diamonds, 3 of Hearts
johnny291281 called - $0.20
tiger_shark folded
jellow folded
indy34 folded
paferblo called - $0.20
arilzo folded
LadyJanet raised - $1.20
tickety-boo folded
Damrod folded
Bloop folded
johnny291281 called - $1.20
paferblo folded

** Dealing the flop: Jack of Spades, 2 of Clubs, 6 of Spades
johnny291281 checked
LadyJanet bet - $1.80
johnny291281 raised - $5.00
LadyJanet folded
johnny291281 mucks:
johnny291281 wins $9.40 from the main pot

End of game 500719811

Betting half the pot as cbet on a missed flop.. I guess this is wat Fnord means with 'for sale signs'?
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Old 10-27-2005, 01:56 AM #24 (permalink)  
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Sit in a cash game sometime and just call preflop raises, then when they bet the flop, minraise it, then bet big or push the turn if they check. It's so effective against tight players it's almost criminal.

I earned an entire buy-in doing this at $200 NL, and the great thing is you have a hand that has them beat sometimes.

hell just put tape over your cards and play $200 NL sometime, it'll surprise you
take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
 
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:04 AM #25 (permalink)  
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I do that too sometimes; Cold call the flop cbet, then checkraise the turn. I prefer to do it with some outs though..
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