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Old 04-17-2006, 05:03 AM     Post subject: How not to play AK #1 (permalink)  
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I originally posted this in Tales of Poker but it got me thinking....This guy played his AK terribly. Let this be a lesson to some. Afterwards he proceeded to call me a fish, a donkey, AND a jerk-off in the same sentence. Harsh.

Oh and I know, I know..."Fold Pre-Flop." But you never know guys! Runner runner is always funner!

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.10 BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($6.40)
MP2 ($15.73)
MP3 ($4.30)
CO ($6.53)
Hero ($12.20)
SB ($6.95)
BB ($3.30)
UTG ($6.65)
UTG+1 ($3.50)
UTG+2 ($4.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 2.
3 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.30.

Flop: ($0.95) A, 7, T (2 players)
MP1 bets $0.1, Hero raises to $0.8, MP1 calls $0.70.

Turn: ($2.55) 2 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

River: ($2.55) 2 (2 players)
MP1 bets $1, Hero raises to $5.55, MP1 calls $4.20 and is All-In.

Final Pot: $14.65

Results:
Hero has 8d 2s (three of a kind, twos).
MP1 has As Ks (two pair, aces and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins $14.65.
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Old 04-17-2006, 11:44 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Nice suckout. And yes, he played his AK terribly.
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Old 04-17-2006, 02:12 PM #3 (permalink)  
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His play play was very weird for AK, but I really dont know what you were doing in that hand to begin with. What were you hoping to hit with 82o?
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His play play was very weird for AK, but I really dont know what you were doing in that hand to begin with. What were you hoping to hit with 82o?
A) I would take down the limp + blinds for the millionth time.
B) I would take the flop down a good majority of the time after that weak lead or a check.
C) I would hit a miracle flop and stack him.
D) He would slowplay a good hand and I would stack him.
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Old 04-17-2006, 02:59 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I really dont know what you were doing in that hand to begin with. What were you hoping to hit with 82o?
After this hand, hero gets a shitload of action. Same as if he made villain fold on the flop, and showed. Yes, even at these levels. I think it pays to clown around a little at any stakes. As long as you know what you're doing after the flop, and the majority of the people at your table are trying to play somewhat correctly.

Ever play min stakes at Pokerstars? Not all that horrible.
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Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
 
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Old 04-17-2006, 03:18 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I really dont know what you were doing in that hand to begin with. What were you hoping to hit with 82o?
After this hand, hero gets a shitload of action. Same as if he made villain fold on the flop, and showed. Yes, even at these levels. I think it pays to clown around a little at any stakes. As long as you know what you're doing after the flop, and the majority of the people at your table are trying to play somewhat correctly.

Ever play min stakes at Pokerstars? Not all that horrible.
Ya I actually prefer sitting at tight tables and messing everything up alot of times. It's pretty easy to build a stack steadily waiting for a monster.
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Old 04-17-2006, 03:23 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 jeez at least make sure its sooted next time you try this.
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After this hand, hero gets a shitload of action. Same as if he made villain fold on the flop, and showed. Yes, even at these levels. I think it pays to clown around a little at any stakes. As long as you know what you're doing after the flop, and the majority of the people at your table are trying to play somewhat correctly.

Ever play min stakes at Pokerstars? Not all that horrible.
Yes, I had logged over 10k hnds at $10nl at stars before moving to party and I maintained a very solid winrate. If I were to lay 82, Id play it similar to this, bt I dont see any reason to play this hand, because only a miracle flop will let you take down more than the blinds, and that flop is very unlikely to help your opponent. Bluffing at the microstakes isnt very profitable because you get called down with nearly anything. I would play suited connecters and Axs aggressively in an attempt to take the blinds or a pot later on, but either way those hands have a chance of actually hitting something.
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After this hand, hero gets a shitload of action. Same as if he made villain fold on the flop, and showed. Yes, even at these levels. I think it pays to clown around a little at any stakes. As long as you know what you're doing after the flop, and the majority of the people at your table are trying to play somewhat correctly.

Ever play min stakes at Pokerstars? Not all that horrible.
Yes, I had logged over 10k hnds at $10nl at stars before moving to party and I maintained a very solid winrate. If I were to lay 82, Id play it similar to this, bt I dont see any reason to play this hand, because only a miracle flop will let you take down more than the blinds, and that flop is very unlikely to help your opponent. Bluffing at the microstakes isnt very profitable because you get called down with nearly anything. I would play suited connecters and Axs aggressively in an attempt to take the blinds or a pot later on, but either way those hands have a chance of actually hitting something.
Players there are passive and non-observant. I don't mind just taking down the blinds and maybe a limp 1,000,000,000 times as long as noone adjusts. This just keeps your stack at even or a little above waiting for monsters. If they get stubborn I'll switch gears or find another table to pick on. If they do become wise then sometimes I'll get a real monster to coincide with there revelation and stack them. Other times I hit a miracle flop w/ my crap and stack them.
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I play that kind of crap all the time in live games... online it's just not working out, there's not enough info. If I have a really bad run of cards I'll raise any two in position just to stay in the game, but that takes a really bad run of cards and gets respect anyway. The only time I do anything but a single-barrel continuation bet is when I DO hit a monster.

Anyway, good post on AK, but there's not much discussion about the actual topic of the thread!

With AK I think I 3-bet the flop to see where I'm at (I'm using that term in at least 40% of my posts from now on :P), and fold to much agro if I have any respect at all for the villian.
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Old 04-23-2006, 06:36 AM #11 (permalink)  
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With AK I think I 3-bet the flop to see where I'm at (I'm using that term in at least 40% of my posts from now on :P), and fold to much agro if I have any respect at all for the villian.

lol i appreciate it dev.
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