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lamaros
Old 11-12-2005, 04:15 PM     Post subject: How much will he call? #1 (permalink)  
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Stage #224120690: Holdem No Limit $0.05 - 2005-11-12 12:07:21 (ET)
Table: KEY WEST (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - BLUFFOON ($3.40 in chips)
Seat 4 - LAMAROS ($20.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - STUEY_UNGAR ($39.15 in chips)
Seat 6 - RADEK2166 ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 7 - NYKNICKS383 ($2.60 in chips)
Seat 8 - ALRIC13 ($5.55 in chips)
Seat 9 - SLUGGO5 ($4.30 in chips)
Seat 1 - DORIT ($6.90 in chips)
Seat 2 - PETROIT71 ($2.60 in chips)
LAMAROS - Posts small blind $0.05
STUEY_UNGAR - Posts big blind $0.10
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to LAMAROS [Jd Ah]
RADEK2166 - Folds
NYKNICKS383 - Calls $0.10
ALRIC13 - Calls $0.10
SLUGGO5 - Calls $0.10
DORIT - Folds
PETROIT71 - Folds
BLUFFOON - Raises $0.60 to $0.60
LAMAROS - Calls $0.55
STUEY_UNGAR - Calls $0.50
NYKNICKS383 - Folds
ALRIC13 - Calls $0.50
SLUGGO5 - Calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [6h 4h Jh]
LAMAROS - Bets $1.50
STUEY_UNGAR - Calls $1.50
ALRIC13 - Folds
SLUGGO5 - Calls $1.50
BLUFFOON - Folds
*** TURN *** [6h 4h Jh] [7h]
LAMAROS - Bets $4
STUEY_UNGAR - Calls $4
SLUGGO5 - Folds
*** RIVER *** [6h 4h Jh 7h] [5d]
LAMAROS - Bets ??

LAMAROS - Bets $9
STUEY_UNGAR - Calls $9
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LAMAROS - Shows [Jd Ah] (Flush, ace high)
STUEY_UNGAR - Mucks
LAMAROS Collects $31.95 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($33.60) | Rake ($1.65)
Board [6h 4h Jh 7h 5d]
Seat 4: LAMAROS (small blind) won Total ($31.95) HI$31.95) with Flush, ace high [Jd Ah - P:Ah,B:Jh,B:7h,B:6h,B:4h]
Seat 5: STUEY_UNGAR (big blind) HI: [Mucked] [10s Kh]
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Old 11-12-2005, 04:59 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Probably his entire stack.


 
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Old 11-12-2005, 05:04 PM #3 (permalink)  
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His stack. He probably has the Kh.
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Old 11-13-2005, 05:03 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Yeah, I think you just need to push and pray here.

I would fold pre-flop and pot the flop too.
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Old 11-14-2005, 07:32 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Calling raises with AJ in the SB is a leak. Sure, you caught the miracle flop here with TPTK and a redraw to the nut flush but how often is that going to happen. If you catch an A can you play back at him? Let it go.

My rules for calling raises (same stakes).
Must have position on the raiser.
Must hold T9 or other similar SC.

That’s it. All others are reraise situations.
Yes, I miss some situations where the flop is J high but I also save myself money in lots of other spots where an A falls.
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Old 11-14-2005, 07:43 PM #6 (permalink)  
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My rules for calling raises (same stakes).
Must have position on the raiser.
Must hold T9 or other similar SC.

That’s it. All others are reraise situations.
I play bigger, but this topic has been the subject a lots of thinking lately. Why do you think this? What do you gain with a re-raise or fold approach? What's great about a hand like 65s facing a raise when you have position, and how do player profiles fit into that sort of decision?

Re-raising pre-flop in NL vs Limit is very different because you re-open yourself up to a big 4-bet you can't call and also because so much money goes in post-flop.
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Old 11-14-2005, 07:59 PM #7 (permalink)  
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My rules for calling raises (same stakes).
Must have position on the raiser.
Must hold T9 or other similar SC.

That’s it. All others are reraise situations.
I play bigger, but this topic has been the subject a lots of thinking lately. Why do you think this? What do you gain with a re-raise or fold approach? What's great about a hand like 65s facing a raise when you have position, and how to player profiles fit into that sort of decision?

Re-raising pre-flop in NL vs Limit is very different because you re-open yourself up to a big 4-bet you can't call and also because so much money goes in post-flop.
Perhaps I should clarify that my reraising standards are:
AA,AK, KK, QQ, and very rarely JJ (depending on ….things).

So maybe you thought I was reraising AJ here. No, I just fold.
Anyway, to answer your questions.

“Why do you think this?”
I want to avoid any situation where I hit TP and don’t feel comfortable. What’s the point of calling if I hit TP and can’t continue.

“What do you gain with a re-raise or fold approach? “
I avoid being dominated throughout the hand and thinking I am good. Being dominated is ok as long as I know it. Calling raises with 56s or 65o is cool because I KNOW I am dominated and that I have to improve to clean his clock.

“What's great about a hand like 65s facing a raise when you have position, and how to player profiles fit into that sort of decision?”
SC have the hidden pair potential and the straight flush potential. Pair potential can be played on a low ragged board and the straight flush potential can be played on any board. Having position on the raiser gives you the info to play it optimally. Meaning you can sense weakness and use it or sense strength and fold to it (if need be).
By player profiles do you mean statistics on the player? If so then it just helps give you more information about the player and info is key. If he had some wild ass VP$IP like 60% then I can somewhat disregard his bets or take them with a grain of salt…he bets at everything.
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Old 11-14-2005, 08:10 PM #8 (permalink)  
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My rules for calling raises (same stakes).
Must have position on the raiser.
Must hold T9 or other similar SC.

That’s it. All others are reraise situations.
I play bigger, but this topic has been the subject a lots of thinking lately. Why do you think this? What do you gain with a re-raise or fold approach? What's great about a hand like 65s facing a raise when you have position, and how do player profiles fit into that sort of decision?

Re-raising pre-flop in NL vs Limit is very different because you re-open yourself up to a big 4-bet you can't call and also because so much money goes in post-flop.
On the other hand, if you meant…”Is there some merit to reraising with AJ here”. Well, I am still thinking about that but I think the value is minimal. Contemplating…
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Old 11-14-2005, 08:11 PM #9 (permalink)  
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On the other hand, if you meant…”Is there some merit to reraising with AJ here”.
I didn't.
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Old 11-14-2005, 08:34 PM #10 (permalink)  
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he did have the Kh it is in the bottem of hand history so you probably could have gone all in on the river, but you cant know for sure he does have it
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