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How much to raise on the turn? (valuebetting)

  
 
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Old 09-14-2005, 06:31 PM     Post subject: How much to raise on the turn? (valuebetting) #1 (permalink)  
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Getting the most out of it (valuebetting) and how much to bet is an art, an art I find hard to master. This situation - where I hit my hand on the turn - often occures to me, and most of the time I dont know how much to bet. I feel my turn minraise was wrong, cuz I would give him odds to chase a better flush than mine (holding A, Q or K of clubs), but tbh I have no idea how much to raise. Opp was Tight passive so I didnt want to chase him out either, and I was affraid a bigger raise would do so (yeah I know, I should have given him odds to chase). Thoughts?

***** Hand History for Game 2710178154 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, September 14, 14:18:46 EDT 2005
Table Table 36797 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: nelribeiro ( $7.85 )
Seat 3: Meiji ( $22.80 )
Seat 5: RX700 ( $27.95 )
Seat 6: morgpat ( $25 )
Seat 7: Hauki84 ( $24.75 )
Seat 8: Bluffboy123 ( $25.50 )
Seat 9: olinONE ( $32.28 )
Seat 2: SteveErkel ( $24.25 )
Seat 10: MadDavid111 ( $26.80 )
Seat 4: maome01 ( $25 )
Hauki84 posts small blind [$0.10].
Bluffboy123 posts big blind [$0.25].
maome01 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bluffboy123 [ Tc Jc ]
>You have options at Table 36578 Table!.
>You have options at Table 37535 Table!.
olinONE folds.
MadDavid111 folds.
nelribeiro calls [$0.25].
SteveErkel folds.
Meiji folds.
>You have options at Table 36578 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36603 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36578 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36578 Table!.
maome01 did not respond in time.
maome01 folds.
RX700 folds.
morgpat folds.
Hauki84 folds.
Bluffboy123 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 4h, 6c ]
>You have options at Table 36578 Table!.
Bluffboy123 bets [$0.60].
nelribeiro raises [$1.20].
Bluffboy123 calls [$0.60].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
Bluffboy123 checks.
nelribeiro bets [$1].
Bluffboy123 raises [$2].
nelribeiro calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ 7d ]
Bluffboy123 bets [$4].
>You have options at Table 36578 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36603 Table!.
Bluffboy123: fold call
nelribeiro folds.
Bluffboy123 does not show cards.
Bluffboy123 wins $10.90
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Old 09-14-2005, 06:38 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Pot is 7$ on the river. You bet 4$. This is a good value bet with the flush. I think if you should have led out the turn for 1$ though. Your flush is disguised because you semi bluffed the flop.
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Old 09-14-2005, 06:44 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Well, I was pretty sure he would bet the turn when checked to him, so my plan was to checkraise - I dont think opp would consider that I bet the flop (flush draw), but he would just see me betting a flop with a possible flush and then get out.
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Old 09-14-2005, 06:49 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Well, I was pretty sure he would bet the turn when checked to him, so my plan was to checkraise - I dont think opp would consider that I bet the flop (flush draw), but he would just see me betting a flop with a possible flush and then get out.
You may have elicited a raise (either a bluff, or if he actually caught a K) if you led the turn because youhad bet the flop and a king came down on the turn, which probably devalued whatever hand you had on the raggy flop.
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Old 09-14-2005, 10:41 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I'd raise more on the turn and then bet about half the pot on a non-club river.
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