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Old 10-18-2004, 07:48 PM     Post subject: How much do you like KQ? #1 (permalink)  
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Would you call an AI with it? What do you do in this situation?

***** Hand History for Game 1073675592 *****
15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 6581098) - Mon Oct 18 15:42:16 EDT 2004
Table Table 13850 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: riversmart (610)
Seat 2: bigsea (755)
Seat 3: RAD66 (890)
Seat 4: galenism (1525)
Seat 5: vccadet (1140)
Seat 6: Les__Worm (650)
Seat 7: movienuts (1065)
Seat 8: OnePutt2003 (275)
Seat 9: mceuenmt (555)
Seat 10: simmb (535)
simmb posts small blind (10)
riversmart posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Les__Worm [ Qd, Ks ]
bigsea folds.
RAD66 folds.
galenism folds.
vccadet folds.
Les__Worm raises (80) to 80
movienuts folds.
OnePutt2003 raises (275) to 275
OnePutt2003 is all-In.
mceuenmt folds.
simmb folds.
riversmart raises (595) to 610
riversmart is all-In.

NOW WHAT?
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Old 10-18-2004, 07:54 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Head's up against OnePutt2003 I call in a minute. Your cards are good enough to take a shot at knocking him out on his short stack. With that second all-in in which a call would basically put you all-in I fold here. I would never play KQo all-in with more than one other person on that pot. Easy fold.
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Old 10-18-2004, 07:56 PM #3 (permalink)  
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with the reraises, that's a clear to fold to me, ring or tourney.

even suited, at those blind levels on a full table, i'd dump it.

you're dominated by a lot of hands, and a coin flip to a pair of 2's.

i think your raise preflop is fine, but fold to the reraises.

looking at PT:

KQ off is a good winner in the ring, suited is a small loser
KQ off is a small loser in tournies, suited a small winner
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Old 10-18-2004, 08:04 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Heres the entire hand..

***** Hand History for Game 1073675592 *****
15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 6581098) - Mon Oct 18 15:42:16 EDT 2004
Table Table 13850 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: riversmart (610)
Seat 2: bigsea (755)
Seat 3: RAD66 (890)
Seat 4: galenism (1525)
Seat 5: vccadet (1140)
Seat 6: Les__Worm (650)
Seat 7: movienuts (1065)
Seat 8: OnePutt2003 (275)
Seat 9: mceuenmt (555)
Seat 10: simmb (535)
simmb posts small blind (10)
riversmart posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Les__Worm [ Qd, Ks ]
bigsea folds.
RAD66 folds.
galenism folds.
vccadet folds.
Les__Worm raises (80) to 80
movienuts folds.
OnePutt2003 raises (275) to 275
OnePutt2003 is all-In.
mceuenmt folds.
simmb folds.
riversmart raises (595) to 610
riversmart is all-In.
Les__Worm folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6d, 4s, 8c ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kc ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Kd ]
Creating Main Pot with $640 with OnePutt2003
Creating Side Pot 1 with $335 with riversmart
** Summary **
Main Pot: 640 | Side Pot 1: 335
Board: [ 6d 4s 8c Kc Kd ]
riversmart balance 975, bet 610, collected 975, net +365 [ As Ts ] [ a pair of kings with ten kicker -- As,Kc,Kd,Ts,8cTs(kicker card) ]
bigsea balance 755, didn't bet (folded)
RAD66 balance 890, didn't bet (folded)
galenism balance 1525, didn't bet (folded)
vccadet balance 1140, didn't bet (folded)
Les__Worm balance 570, lost 80 (folded)
movienuts balance 1065, didn't bet (folded)
OnePutt2003 balance 0, lost 275 [ Ah 5h ] [ a pair of kings -- Ah,Kc,Kd,8c,6d ]
mceuenmt balance 555, didn't bet (folded)
simmb balance 525, lost 10 (folded)
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ouch! i still think it was a good fold, although, i do agree with jm about calling if it had just been the small stack all-in.
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Old 10-18-2004, 08:12 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Fear the re-raise

KQo is actually a pretty easy muck for me .

Don't worry about what happens next, you were behind in the start, the cards would have saved you... Do you really want to rely on the cards to save you?
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I knew the fold was right and thats why I did it. It just sucks when you see the result.
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KQ is good to raise all in, but not good enough to call an all in.
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I've won a lot of money with KQ, but I would prefer to have an A or pocket pair in my hand.
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I totally agree with jm and fishy.
I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.
 
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Old 10-18-2004, 09:45 PM #11 (permalink)  
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KQo is a pretty hand isn't it? Fold.

I wouldn't even call a raise with it in limit. I'd fold after raising it if it was 2 back to me. I really want to muck when it's 1 back to me. In NL the problems are amplified...

I'd rather call a 3-way all-in here with 87 sooted than KQo.
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