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daluchy

01-20-2006, 01:20 PM Post subject: how to figure im beat

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Ok I'll say I lost this hand. I just wanna know what can I do differently so I can maybe lay this down or maybe cheaply show it down instead. I thought I was golden so I went heavy on the river.

Game # 223762985 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 0,25/0,50 - Table "Eskilstuna"
Game ended 2006-01-20 14:30:19 GMT+01:00

Players:
daluchy (EUR 49,70 in seat 1)
scrolli (EUR 23,00 in seat 2)
LuparFiend (EUR 40,70 in seat 3)
Carro23_ (EUR 50,25 in seat 4)
ssdc1 (EUR 23,87 in seat 5)
ass (EUR 41,05 in seat 6)
FYRASSSS (EUR 70,08 in seat 7)
Dan55 (EUR 5,35 in seat 8)

Dealer: FYRASSSS
Small Blind: Dan55 (0,25)
Big Blind: daluchy (0,50)

daluchy was dealt: Ac - Kh

scrolli Call (0,50)
LuparFiend Fold
Carro23_ Fold
ssdc1 Fold
ass Raise (1,00)
FYRASSSS Fold
Dan55 Fold
daluchy Call (0,50)
scrolli Call (0,50)

Flop Ad - 4c - 6d

daluchy Check
scrolli Check
ass Bet (0,50)
daluchy Raise (2,00)
scrolli Fold
ass Call (1,50)

Turn Ad - 4c - 6d - Qh

daluchy Bet (7,00)
ass Call (7,00)

River Ad - 4c - 6d - Qh - 9h

daluchy Bet (20,00)
ass All-In (31,05)
daluchy Call (11,05)

pulling a courtiebee pŏŏl-ĭng ā kôrt-ē-bē (verb phrase):
1. overvaluing mid pocket pairs
2. knowing you should fold, but donkishly calling or raising anyway

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Bo G

01-20-2006, 01:30 PM

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Without position raise preflop and take control of the hand. Lead out pot size pot on flop and if called slow down when Q hits because of AQ posibility. Don't go all in on river with top pair.

Fnord

01-20-2006, 01:39 PM

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Make it $5 pre-flop.

I don't like the river bet size.

edit: Actually, the turn + river both show some really bad pot size control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Bo G

01-20-2006, 01:48 PM

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Fnord,

I used your aggressive strategy (raise, raise and when in doubt reraise) yesterday and I can tell you it worked like a charm. Basically I made a concious decision to try raising in some situations where I would normally just call and I got a lot of folds and few times got called by worse hands. Let go of some hands when I gou pushed all in.

My normal 7bb/100 was over 20bb/100 yesterday and I know it is very small sample size but I think I will continue to try to improve on this style.

Jimmy Mac

01-20-2006, 01:51 PM

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I think potting the turn and river out of position is a little extreme. He's already called your flop check raise indicating he has at least top pair. I would go maybe $4 on the turn, not sure about the river if he calls that. Depends on the opponent really, how likely is it that he has AJ, AT, A9? The guy minraised a limper preflop, minbet the flop, called a check raise, then called the turn when you potted it. I would slow down on the river for sure, unless this guy is an uber-fish.

AK sucks out of position - top pair type hands are so hard to play in this spot.

Fnord

01-20-2006, 01:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy Mac

He's already called your flop check raise indicating he has at least top pair.

You're kidding, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Jimmy Mac

01-20-2006, 02:06 PM

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l0l... i think i give my opps way too much respect...

Please put rumsfeldt away again Fnord... that guy scares the bejeesus out of me.

Irisheyes

01-20-2006, 02:28 PM

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Half pot the turn, half pot the river.

He show AQ?

daluchy

01-20-2006, 05:37 PM

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Ok well if I don't pot the turn, then what's good? 1/2 pot is kinda weak, 3/4 then?

Then how to I approach the river? Check/call any reasonable amount?

pulling a courtiebee pŏŏl-ĭng ā kôrt-ē-bē (verb phrase):
1. overvaluing mid pocket pairs
2. knowing you should fold, but donkishly calling or raising anyway

Fnord

01-20-2006, 05:57 PM

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There are lots of ways to play it. I just hate betting $20 on the river with $10 behind that I'm committed to call.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Irisheyes

01-20-2006, 06:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daluchy

Ok well if I don't pot the turn, then what's good? 1/2 pot is kinda weak, 3/4 then?

Then how to I approach the river? Check/call any reasonable amount?

Why is it weak? Are you afraid he will raise you off your hand with air? I only overbet the turn if this guy is a total fish who'll call anything to hit his flush. Other then that, you have to consider the possibility that your beat and possibly be a bit more cautious until you find out your not beat.

I think I value bet the river, just make a bet that could possibly be called by a weaker hand.

finky

01-20-2006, 09:23 PM

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Raise preflop, you probably have the best hand and it might stop them min raising your blind.

Flops okay and I like the turn, really make weaker hands / draws pay. I'd usually check call that river, just limping in like that the villian could have made 2 pair / set so as Fnord said you need to limit the size of the pot.

Also you give a chance for a busted draw to bluff at you when they would instantly fold to a bet.

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