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Pingviini

08-06-2005, 06:17 PM Post subject: How to extract the maximum here?

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HAND ACTIONS
Player Action Action Data Time Stamp
fungshway Set dealer/Bring in spot 1
vipdirect Ante/Small blind $ 1.00
Pingviini Big blind/Bring in $ 2.00
Pingviini Card dealt to a spot 2 J
whodey Card dealt to a spot
Hendo Card dealt to a spot
aneel Card dealt to a spot A A
nova21j Card dealt to a spot
vixen69 Card dealt to a spot
quiksilver Card dealt to a spot 7 7
whodey Call $ 2.00
Hendo Fold $ 0.00
aneel Call $ 2.00
nova21j Fold $ 0.00
vixen69 Call $ 2.00
quiksilver Call $ 2.00
fungshway Call $ 2.00
vipdirect Fold $ 1.00
Pingviini Check
Betting round completed Last active pot = $13.00
Card dealt to table 2 2 5
Pingviini Check
whodey Bet $ 5.00
aneel Call $ 5.00
vixen69 Fold $ 0.00
quiksilver All-in $ 35.50
fungshway Fold $ 0.00
Pingviini Call $ 35.50
whodey Fold $ 5.00
aneel Call $ 30.50
Betting round completed Last active pot = $0.00
Side pot 9 = $124.50 13:52:56
Card dealt to table J
Pingviini Bet $ 25.00
aneel Call $ 25.00
Betting round completed Last active pot = $50.00
Side pot 9 = $124.50
Card dealt to table J
Pingviini Bet $ 50.00
aneel Call $ 50.00
Rake amount $ 2.75
Betting round completed Last active pot = $148.50
Side pot 9 = $123.25
Pingviini Showdown Show card: Full House
J J J 2 2
aneel Showdown Muck card: Two Pair
A A J J 5
quiksilver Showdown Muck card: Two Pair
J J 7 7 5
Pingviini Hand result $ 271.75

I had no idea what the guy had but I wanted to extract some more money. If I knew he had AA I woulda made almost pot sized bets on turn and on river..

BUT given the way he played, how would you have played this one??

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a500lbgorilla

08-06-2005, 07:18 PM

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whodey Call $ 2.00
Hendo Fold $ 0.00
aneel Call $ 2.00<--- guy who has AA

Oh. My. God.

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Pingviini

08-06-2005, 09:28 PM

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Bodog. I dont limp AA-KK anymore cause they are too passive.

'Rilla do you ever limp AA? Seems like a shock to you :P

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08-06-2005, 09:48 PM

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Limping with AA is a sin. Unless you REALLY want to destack that lagg guy who's been running the game. HEEEEEYYY, are you that lagg guy?

a500lbgorilla

08-06-2005, 11:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pingviini

'Rilla do you ever limp AA? Seems like a shock to you :P

Do you not SEE what I SEE?!

He limped behind ANOTHER LIMPER!

This means that for an op to raise behind them he has to have a premium hand. Which would generally have the same end result as raising in the first place. He's just opening the doors for a 6 way flop and he proved he's very incapable of folding AA.

So, wow.

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Pingviini

08-07-2005, 12:27 PM

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I know, I see so many limped premiums EP nowadays.. JJ is worst what I limp EP or MP.

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08-08-2005, 03:53 PM

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I just laugh when people limp high pockets and then get douched. I think it's the funniest thing on earth. Then they write "Unreal", or "That's bullshit" in the chat like it's someone else's fault.

In a cash game there's no place for limping high pockets. Tournaments are a whole different ballgame.

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

Pingviini

08-08-2005, 04:09 PM

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LOL. The guy went crazy after I showed him my hand. But it was just his own fault.

Anyways, how would you play this hand rondavu??

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08-08-2005, 04:41 PM

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All in when the jack turns. If he's gonna call anything, he's gonna call everything.

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

08-08-2005, 07:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Quote:

whodey Call $ 2.00
Hendo Fold $ 0.00
aneel Call $ 2.00<--- guy who has AA

Oh. My. God.

-'rilla

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Pingviini

08-08-2005, 07:53 PM

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I am not even tight and I am killing the game, I see 28% of the flops, perhaps I should tighten up. It isjust so easy raise big after lots of limpers, perhaps 1 of them calls, you make a pot-sized bet on position and they fold nearly every time..

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08-09-2005, 03:47 AM

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"In a cash game there's no place for limping high pockets."

never ever?

***** Hand History for Game 2498198721 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, August 08, 03:42:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 36602 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Wahoo2006 ( $150.30 )
Seat 5: englishtown ( $93.12 )
Seat 2: wolfofruby ( $111.60 )
Seat 10: Ashure9 ( $103.62 )
Seat 7: reerunn ( $88.40 )
Seat 8: maxbaek ( $55.61 )
Seat 4: BoogieFoote ( $83.50 )
Seat 6: IsoscelesKramer ( $98.50 )
Seat 3: hockplyr10 ( $67.85 )
maxbaek posts small blind [$0.50].
Ashure9 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ Kd Kc ]
Wahoo2006 calls [$1].
wolfofruby folds.
hockplyr10 folds.
BoogieFoote calls [$1].
englishtown calls [$1].
>You have options at Table 37102 Table!.
IsoscelesKramer folds.
reerunn calls [$1].
maxbaek folds.
Ashure9 raises [$7].
Wahoo2006 calls [$7].
BoogieFoote folds.
englishtown folds.
reerunn folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, 4d, 8h ]
Ashure9 bets [$12].
Wahoo2006 raises [$24].
Ashure9 raises [$48].
Wahoo2006 is all-In.
Ashure9 is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]
Ashure9 shows [ 9d, 9s ] two pairs, nines and eights.
Wahoo2006 shows [ Kd, Kc ] two pairs, kings and eights.
Wahoo2006 wins $46.68 from side pot #1 with two pairs, kings and eights.
Wahoo2006 wins $207.74 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and eights.
englishtown has left the table.
Ashure9 has left the table.

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08-09-2005, 04:04 AM

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Greedo: that hand is likely to go to all in on the flop even with a pfr.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lambchopdc

Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.

Greedo017

08-09-2005, 05:57 AM

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so you think if i reraise him to 21 and push the flop he's calling?

edit:

***** Hand History for Game 2464747577 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, August 02, 05:54:12 EDT 2005
Table Table 36573 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 5: Wahoo2006 ( $84.95 )
Seat 7: BoSuFo ( $177.90 )
Seat 6: tthewl33z ( $81.95 )
Seat 10: DudeLove1 ( $99 )
BoSuFo posts small blind [$0.50].
DudeLove1 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ Ac As ]
Wahoo2006 calls [$1].
tthewl33z raises [$4.50].
BoSuFo folds.
DudeLove1 folds.
Wahoo2006 calls [$3.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 3h, 2d ]
Wahoo2006 checks.
tthewl33z bets [$10].
Wahoo2006 raises [$20].
tthewl33z calls [$10].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
Wahoo2006 bets [$20].
tthewl33z calls [$20].
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
Wahoo2006 bets [$40].
>You have options at Table 36895 Table!.
tthewl33z is all-In.
Wahoo2006 shows [ Ac, As ] a pair of aces.
tthewl33z doesn't show [ Kh, Th ] a pair of kings.
Wahoo2006 wins $2.55 from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
Wahoo2006 wins $163.40 from the main pot with a pair of aces.

Dassin

08-09-2005, 09:07 AM

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Just signed up for BoDog today, and holy crap this place is crazy. Most misplaced aggression ever. Such loose players, so much action... but as far as I can tell, not a great place to bluff.

This place is going to take some getting used to, but I see some serious profit potential.

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08-09-2005, 09:28 AM

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Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point

Need stack sizes, how much money could you have possibly left on the table? Any chance of getting him potstruck?

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Rondavu

08-09-2005, 12:42 PM

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Greedo, when you limped those two high pockets the only thing that made it profitable was a raise behind you. It's very rare that you can be sure a raise will come behind you. I could imagine sitting with a very aggressive maniac and limping AA or KK to trap, but it could easily backfire if that maniac just folds and then three other people limp.

The thing about a maniac is that you really don't need to trap them. Just raise your hand and they'll pay you anyway if they call and you act weak postflop.

There is only one case where I might limp the high pockets, and that's when the entire table is VERY aggressive. Then you can be almost certain some kind of raise will allow you reraise which you MUST do to isolate.

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

Pingviini

08-09-2005, 12:58 PM

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Limping doesnt help here, as rondavu stated you have to be pretty certain that there will be a raise, and even then OOP I would go for a re-raise, at least with KK. If you raise with AA/KK/QQ and they have cards they will call, but if you dont someone with 99 will perhaps just call and that gives better odds to the next players to call to see a cheap flop, and then you my friend are screwed. Like I said I dont raise TT and JJ EP, anything better I raise to isolate..

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