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Old 06-21-2006, 03:01 PM     Post subject: How do you play these sorts of marginal hands minus read? #1 (permalink)  
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 I've had to move down stakes after a horrible downswing, and my confidence is getting back up again. But I've never been sure about the best value plays for these hands. Bet the river, or just check behind?

------HAND 5------
Game #2760383774: Hold'em NL ($0.15/$0.25) - 2006/06/21 - 15:52:29 (UK)
Table "Saga" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: ghstface ($20 in chips)
Seat 2: Smiffy44 ($24.40 in chips)
Seat 3: Ellenborg ($14.70 in chips)
Seat 4: malc ($6.60 in chips)
Seat 5: carl_a ($51.46 in chips)
Seat 6: Jozeph ($4.60 in chips)
Seat 7: shewp ($11.20 in chips)
Seat 8: RiverQi ($23.22 in chips)
Seat 9: bb1962 ($21.75 in chips)
Seat 10: Spirit ($15.35 in chips)
Ellenborg: posts small blind $0.15
malc: posts big blind $0.25
ghstface sits out
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Smiffy44 [8s Tc]
carl_a: folds
Jozeph: folds
shewp: calls $0.25
RiverQi: calls $0.25
bb1962: folds
Spirit: calls $0.25
Smiffy44: calls $0.25
Ellenborg: calls $0.10
malc: checks
----- FLOP ----- [6d 9s Ts]
Ellenborg: checks
malc: checks
shewp: checks
RiverQi: bets $0.50
Spirit: calls $0.50
Smiffy44: raises to $2
Ellenborg: folds
malc: folds
shewp: folds
RiverQi: calls $1.50
Spirit: folds
----- TURN ----- [6d 9s Ts][5d]
ghstface sits back
RiverQi: checks
Smiffy44: bets $3
RiverQi: calls $3
----- RIVER ----- [6d 9s Ts 5d][Qh]
RiverQi: checks
Smiffy44: checks
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Old 06-21-2006, 03:14 PM #2 (permalink)  
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fold minus a read.

Checking behind on the river is standard. He's usually calling ahead and folding behind.

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Just fold marginal hands preflop so you don't have to play them minus a read.
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 call or fold the flop, definetely don't raise.
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Just fold marginal hands preflop so you don't have to play them minus a read.
why? exploitable opponents, i can get away from hands, and in position. Raise, maybe. Fold, not necessarily. the flop raise was for info.

certain presuppositions have to be made about faceless 25nl players, i got a good read from this...
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Just fold marginal hands preflop so you don't have to play them minus a read.
why? exploitable opponents, i can get away from hands, and in position. Raise, maybe. Fold, not necessarily. the flop raise was for info.

certain presuppositions have to be made about faceless 25nl players, i got a good read from this...
If you are playing against un-knowns the standard play is to fold. As played, check behind on the river.

It's good that you got a read, but you could probably get that read by not playing this hand, not spending your own money and watching them play it out. What if you get check-raised on the turn? Sure you got away, but you lost $5 for a pot you shouldn't have even been in.

For a presupposition, how about "I'm good enough to make money without gambling with tards". If you already had a read like, he's crazy loose, or he will call any flop/turn, or he thinks OESD is the nuts then you'd get more discussion.
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