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Old 03-16-2006, 03:03 AM     Post subject: how do i avoid getting stacked here? #1 (permalink)  
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how do i avoid this? here are the two hands. they happened 3 hands apart. i know i shouldnt think this but it seems like 1/3 of the time when you take down a big pot heads up and then you get in a pot with the same person within 5 hands, you end up giving it right back to something like this...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 ($25.75)
CO ($21.85)
Button ($60.37)
SB ($22.88)
BB ($25.80)
UTG ($15.15)
UTG+1 ($48.92)
Hero ($25.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Button calls $1.75, 2 folds.

Flop: ($3.85) Q, 3, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $2, Button raises to $4, Hero raises to $6, Button calls $2.

Turn: ($15.85) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, Button calls $8.

River: ($31.85) K (2 players)
Hero bets $10 all in,Button calls $10.

Final Pot: $41.85

Results in white below:
Hero has Kd Kc (three of a kind, kings).
Button has Qs Ad (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $41.85.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($26.95)
UTG+1 ($21.85)
MP1 ($34.12)
MP2 ($22.78)
CO ($25.45)
Button ($14.80)
SB ($48.67)
Hero ($49.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, A. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.5, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.25.

Flop: ($1.10) A, J, 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $3, Villain raises all-In for $33.62, Hero calls $30.62.

Turn: ($66 Q (2 players)

River: ($66) Q (2 players)

Final Pot: $66

Results in white below:
Hero has As Jh (two pair, aces and queens, jack kicker).
Button has Ad Kd (two pair, aces and queens, king kicker).
Outcome: Villain wins $66.
crikreef: called $1 for your gut shot? (in an $0.85 pot)
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Old 03-16-2006, 03:10 AM #2 (permalink)  
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You got the money in when you were way ahead what else do you want? This isn't the bad beat forum so don't post them.
 
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Hero bets $2, Button raises to $4, Hero raises to $6, Button calls $2.

That line is completely wrong on so many levels.
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Old 03-16-2006, 04:10 AM #4 (permalink)  
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im not talkin about that hand, but yes i shouldnt have min raised.
crikreef: called $1 for your gut shot? (in an $0.85 pot)
jankyspot: high roller
jankyspot: had a couple outs
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Old 03-16-2006, 04:49 AM #5 (permalink)  
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The first hand is the one with problems.

The second hand is a bad beat and there's nothing to comment about. You're whining.

I'm a whiner also, I just put it in the appropriate forum where nobody reads it.
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Old 03-16-2006, 05:11 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Both of these hands are posted in the wrong forum. Second hand belongs in the bad beat forum, first hand belongs in the limit hold'em forum.
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Old 03-16-2006, 05:17 AM #7 (permalink)  
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moderator want to delete it for me?
crikreef: called $1 for your gut shot? (in an $0.85 pot)
jankyspot: high roller
jankyspot: had a couple outs
crikreef: lol
crikreef: ya
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Old 03-16-2006, 11:54 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 dont minraise.

Hand 2 fold preflop.


Hand 2, he put a bad beat on you but most of the time he will destroy you with AK against AJ. AJ is right at the bottom of most peoples raising range. Alot of people wont even raise AJ at all from that position. You are almost always dominated calling that PFR so just fold it preflop. As it happens you hit a miracle flop and he played it like a muppet and got lucky.
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Old 03-16-2006, 12:01 PM #9 (permalink)  
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How can you avoid getting de-stacked?

Dont call a preflop raise from a possibly tilted player with AJ offsuit out of position.
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Old 03-16-2006, 03:06 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Quote:
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Dont call a preflop raise from a possibly tilted player with AJ offsuit out of position.
Quote:
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You are almost always dominated calling that PFR so just fold it preflop.
both of you are telling me you would fold AJ to a min raise heads up?
crikreef: called $1 for your gut shot? (in an $0.85 pot)
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Old 03-16-2006, 03:24 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alibi
Hero bets $2, Button raises to $4, Hero raises to $6, Button calls $2.

That line is completely wrong on so many levels.
Count the money behind. Outside of balance issues, it's not that bad.
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Old 03-16-2006, 04:21 PM #12 (permalink)  
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both of you are telling me you would fold AJ to a min raise heads up?
from the big blind?

If you make this fold, you are WAY too tight.

This is much different than folding to a standard raise from EP.
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Old 03-16-2006, 06:14 PM #13 (permalink)  
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my thoughts exactly.
crikreef: called $1 for your gut shot? (in an $0.85 pot)
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jankyspot: had a couple outs
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Old 03-16-2006, 07:37 PM #14 (permalink)  
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 I think you played both hands just fine.


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It depends whos doing the raising. Against an unknown ill usually just fold it because ive seen so many people min raise with AA. If its someone ive seen minraise a few times, or someone who just generally seems like a donk then Ill call it but I dont like AJ out of position agaist any raise with no reads at all. I feel theres too much reverse implied odds at work.
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Both of these hands are posted in the wrong forum. Second hand belongs in the bad beat forum, first hand belongs in the limit hold'em forum.
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Old 03-16-2006, 08:31 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Quote:
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Hero bets $2, Button raises to $4, Hero raises to $6, Button calls $2.

That line is completely wrong on so many levels.
Count the money behind. Outside of balance issues, it's not that bad.
I don't understand, explain please. Tiny raises and underbets are just not the way I play no-limit hold'em, but maybe I need to open my mind to a few situations where they have merit.

One situation where I sometimes use the minimum raise. I have a decent hand on the turn, I think it's the best but it's not good enough to withstand any action. A guy bets into me and I think he's full of crap, but I'm not sure. I minimum raise in position to make my hand look stronger than it is, so I can hopefully get a free showdown on the river.

This hand is from an 11+rebuys tournament, stacks are deep enough that it plays like a cash game at this point. The guy just folded, I was expecting him to call and check the river and I was going to check behind.

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UTG (t1137)
UTG+1 (t12500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t4855)
MP3 (t4418)
CO (t11290)
Hero (t19810)
SB (t9090)
BB (t9865)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, T.
6 folds, Hero raises to t300, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop:(t650) 7, T, J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn:(t650) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t400, BB raises to t1000, Hero raises to t1600, BB folds.

Final Pot: t2650
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