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megadeath
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03-03-2005, 11:30 PM
Post subject: how can i avoid these?
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how can i avoid these hands? i seem to always be screwed over when these come.. i dont have the hand history, but i remember what happen. Can i avoid these in the future?
Scenario #1: I'm in big blind and get dealt AA, 3-4 limpers call the BB and i raise it 5x the Big Blind (BB = 20.. i put it to 100) I get 2 callers, and the flop comes j62 rainbow, i feel im in no trouble so i check.
The next person bets and the next person calls, i re-raise it triple what they bet to take down the big enough pot already. The first person calls and the second re-raises. I look at the board , no straight draw no flush draw, i figure he probably has ace jack or something so i re-raise him, by this time 70% of my stack is all in so i am pot committed, he goes all in and i of course call. He flips over 66 and i bust out. What could i have done differently? AA should be my winning hand but the way i play it i bust out, im not afraid to let go of it, but there was no flush/no straight/no pair on the board. What should i do differntly next time this happens? Note: it's a 10 buck Sit n Go.
Scenario #2: Im in early position (UTG+3) and get JJ. Some guy raises x4 the BB to 80. I re-raise him to 160 to see where i stand, someone in later position flat calls my 160 and everyone else folds. I figure if he had QQ KK AA he would have re-raised my initial raise and flat called. A great flop comes for me that consists of 10, 9, 4 rainbow. No flush draw out there but a straight draw. Since im first to act i bet 70% of the pot, roughly 300 chips. He promptly re-raises me to 700. I felt he did not have QQ KK AA so i push him and he calls and flips over 99. This was the second time a set knocked me out in five minutes to my overpair. How can i avoid yet another hand like this? Should i let go on the re-raise (by the time he re-raised me already 35% of my chips were in the pot).
What should i do when situations like this come? Just pray they don't have the set? Or my main question is how to avoid these situations? I Don't slowplay big pocket pairs so im clueless. Should i always suspect the set?
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UncleBuddy
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03-03-2005, 11:57 PM
Post subject: Re: how can i avoid these?
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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Originally Posted by megadeath
how can i avoid these hands? i seem to always be screwed over when these come.. i dont have the hand history, but i remember what happen. Can i avoid these in the future?
Scenario #1: I'm in big blind and get dealt AA, 3-4 limpers call the BB and i raise it 5x the Big Blind (BB = 20.. i put it to 100) I get 2 callers, and the flop comes j62 rainbow, i feel im in no trouble so i check.
The next person bets and the next person calls, i re-raise it triple what they bet to take down the big enough pot already. The first person calls and the second re-raises. I look at the board , no straight draw no flush draw, i figure he probably has ace jack or something so i re-raise him, by this time 70% of my stack is all in so i am pot committed, he goes all in and i of course call. He flips over 66 and i bust out. What could i have done differently? AA should be my winning hand but the way i play it i bust out, im not afraid to let go of it, but there was no flush/no straight/no pair on the board. What should i do differntly next time this happens? Note: it's a 10 buck Sit n Go.
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It depends on what the players are like. I would have played it differently. Its early in the tourney...so I would have raised it a couple of hundred on the turn, and fold to any reraise.
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Scenario #2: Im in early position (UTG+3) and get JJ. Some guy raises x4 the BB to 80. I re-raise him to 160 to see where i stand, someone in later position flat calls my 160 and everyone else folds. I figure if he had QQ KK AA he would have re-raised my initial raise and flat called. A great flop comes for me that consists of 10, 9, 4 rainbow. No flush draw out there but a straight draw. Since im first to act i bet 70% of the pot, roughly 300 chips. He promptly re-raises me to 700. I felt he did not have QQ KK AA so i push him and he calls and flips over 99. This was the second time a set knocked me out in five minutes to my overpair. How can i avoid yet another hand like this? Should i let go on the re-raise (by the time he re-raised me already 35% of my chips were in the pot).
What should i do when situations like this come? Just pray they don't have the set? Or my main question is how to avoid these situations? I Don't slowplay big pocket pairs so im clueless. Should i always suspect the set?
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The set are the silent assassins. Theyll get you from time to time. The only thing I could suggest is to quit committing so much of your stack on overpairs. Usually, pot sized bets will be enough to get anyone off their draws and if you get reraised you can fold. Tournaments are about survivial not domination, and if someone gets a bead on you and tries to get you to fold a winning hand....you sometimes have to let them, look at what you did to draw such a bluff and live to fight another hand.
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whileone
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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you might try to keep in mind, AA is just a pair. Isolation is vital. for #1, pre flop raise is good, but you gotta keep pounding away. pocket pairs are generaly worth a call, and you don't want them turning into a set. You play AA the way you want, but checking the flop sounds mighty risky.
for #2, you have to consider folding the reraise. you just have a pair. it's an overpair, which is good, but this guy is really testinig you, how much of your stack do you want to give up just to see if he's a liar? especialy since the blinds are only 10/20. wait and let the maniacs bust out.
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