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Old 07-05-2006, 04:22 AM     Post subject: Hmm lets reopen the case... #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is 22/3, passive on the flop, and somewhat aggressive on the turn and river.

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$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, July 04, 23:23:09 ET 2006
Table Dare & Win (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: ltrian7600 ( $501.23 )
Seat 5: Beelzeboz0 ( $239.70 )
Seat 8: FuzzyJohn ( $196.49 )
Seat 9: snooze1 ( $218.41 )
Seat 2: rob123b ( $200.50 )
Seat 7: fbfcanada ( $118.90 )
Seat 10: CBliss429 ( $68.05 )
Seat 1: birwin777 ( $110.51 )
Seat 6: Dobray ( $198 )
Seat 4: Sonny_2565 ( $150 )
rob123b posts small blind [$1].
ltrian7600 posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Beelzeboz0 [ Ah Ac ]

Beelzeboz0 raises [$7].
Dobray folds.
fbfcanada folds.
FuzzyJohn folds.
snooze1 folds.
CBliss429 folds.
birwin777 folds.
rob123b calls [$6].
ltrian7600 folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, 8d, 4c ]

rob123b checks.
Beelzeboz0 bets [$11].
rob123b calls [$11].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
rob123b checks.
Beelzeboz0 bets [$29].
rob123b raises [$75].
Beelzeboz0 calls [$46].

** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]

rob123b is all-In.
Beelzeboz0 calls [$107.50].



What does he have more, an overpair or a set? Can we get away from our hand here ever, or is it an over pair too seldom to call?

Also do you suggest any different line other than the one I took?
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Old 07-05-2006, 04:36 AM #2 (permalink)  
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SB with an UTG+1 raise and he stays in. He likes his hand but not enough to re-raise so maybe AK, AQ, pp < JJ I'd say.

Flop he just passivly calls but he stays in, so Axc is possible still, as in a pp < 88 as he'd probably raise here with an overpair to find where he is.

Turn he goes balistic with a c/r on a non-flush completing crd. I'd say he is telling you he has a set of 5's, or has 67 and gotten his straight and with 2 flush draws possible wants to take the put down there and avoid the draw hitting.

Not sure what the AI on the end is about though if he was worrying about the flush. Perhaps he put you on the diamond draw rather than the club draw if he had you pegged for AK/AKs or knew the draw wasn't an issue if he had you on an overpair.

It's a weird play and hard to work out where you are at with a SB since they could have anything really, but can still limit their holdings a little.

I'm not sure on the plays at $200NL yet, so I'm not sure how often a c-r is truley an indicator of their hand, and hell it could be he was on the diamond draw and river push is just a busted draw, but given his stats I'd give him credit for the set of 5's mainly, with a possible 8-high straight with 67 hole cards (and more likely if they were clubs as I'm not sure he'd hang round even for $11 with a gutshot that didn't have flush redraw)

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 ive seen thi but i cant see why you dont check behind on the turn unless opp is a real dnkey and has just one pair on this board.
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 Why would you check behind with AA just because he called you once??

Btw, looks like a set line, not really overpair..
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 at the $25 NL level, i think this is an overpair line more often than a set line, but with villains 3% PFR, i think an overpair JJ+ would be in his pre-flop raise %, making this more often than not a set.
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Btw, looks like a set line, not really overpair..
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 I think we can safely fold to the turn C/R against most players.

Given that we called the turn, the river is somewhat interesting. You ask whether this guy has an overpair or set more often, but don't forget the different 2 pair hands and draws he could have. Granted, this is a very weird line for a draw to take so I'd often consider that river to be a blank (nothing has changed type mentality), but it's interesting nonetheless. Another way to look at it is that the flush just completed, but he's still firing, so he probably likes his hand a lot (perhaps a set that would call any bet anyway and realizes that your calling range here is wider then your betting range, hence a push being better then a c/c.)

In any case, you're usually beat here on the turn, me thinks.
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 I felt like since he's so passive preflop that this could easily be KK/QQ/JJ.

Obv. he had 76o. Obv. since 76o is in the two 22% of hands (fuck pokertracker).

Given what he had, I really didn't lose any money in this hand. He called as a massive dog preflop and on the flop, and then I paid him off on the turn and river, but I don't think he even got paid off well enough to make up the EV loss on earlier streets.
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