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Turska

05-19-2006, 07:47 AM Post subject: hi

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Texas Hold'em $0.25-$0.50 NL (real money), hand #497,083,490
Table Caloocan, 18 May 2006 8:04 PM ET

Seat 1: studlyness ($8.70 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero [ JH,KD ] ($55.65 in chips)
Seat 4: vanapeer ($24.10 in chips)
Seat 5: chkndnr ($12.35 in chips)
Seat 6: Aixer ($14.55 in chips)
Seat 7: zeled ($25.70 in chips)
Seat 8: billskick1 ($25.00 in chips)
Seat 9: Internutte ($20.00 in chips)
Seat 10: neDarius ($8.30 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
studlyness posts blind ($0.15), Hero posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
vanapeer bets $1.30, chkndnr folds, Aixer folds, zeled calls $1.30, billskick1 folds, Internutte folds, neDarius calls $1.30, studlyness folds, Hero calls $1.05.

FLOP [board cards 9H,6H,2H ]
Hero bets $2.50, vanapeer calls $2.50, zeled folds, neDarius folds.

TURN [board cards 9H,6H,2H,KS ]
Hero bets $5, vanapeer folds.

SHOWDOWN
Hero wins $14.85.

SUMMARY
Dealer: neDarius
Pot: $15.35 | Rake: $0.50
studlyness loses $0.15
Hero bets $8.80, collects $14.85, net $6.05
vanapeer loses $3.80
chkndnr loses $0
Aixer loses $0
zeled loses $1.30
billskick1 loses $0
Internutte loses $0
neDarius loses $1.30

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Lukie

05-19-2006, 08:51 AM

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i'd fold preflop and check/fold this flop.

bdawg56kg

05-19-2006, 09:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukie

i'd fold preflop and check/fold this flop.

Yup.

OP, how do you think KJo matches up against an utg raiser's range?

Turska

05-19-2006, 10:44 AM Post subject: Thanks

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Hi,

UTG could raise here with pockets TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA + AQs,AKs

Thanks guys for input. I had a very tight table image here (played
long time in this table). So I had late position to call 1.05 at 4 dollar
pot giving me great odds even though my holdings were pretty weak.

In early position i would have folded KJ off. Do you think my
preflop call was clear error? Given the nearly 4-1 pot odds?

I got 2nd to nuts fl draw and decided to play strong because I knew
villain was quite weak tight.

Flop bet was just called so I decided to fire 2nd barrel after turn
AK,KK was only holdin i was probably loosing and additional
bonus was 2nd to nuts redraw. So I estimated my likelihood winning
here 60-70%.

I won this but afterwards got me thinking is this kind of play a
+EV or -EV long term?

Pingviini

05-19-2006, 12:29 PM

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Dont be fooled by immediate odds, especially when you will be plaing OOP the rest of the hand. You really shouldnt bet that flop w/o NFD.

"Poker is a simple math game" -Aba20

Staresy

05-19-2006, 12:38 PM Post subject: Re: Thanks

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Turska

In early position i would have folded KJ off. Do you think my preflop call was clear error? Given the nearly 4-1 pot odds?

I won this but afterwards got me thinking is this kind of play a
+EV or -EV long term?

I'm with Pingviini here and I think you allude to it a bit yourself ....

You won't play KJo from EP .... why not?
Is the answer because you don't want to get raised and play it OoP in a raised pot? If so, how is this different to doing so out of the blinds?

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Lukie

05-19-2006, 04:39 PM Post subject: Re: Thanks

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Quote:

UTG could raise here with pockets TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA + AQs,AKs

and you are playing KJo why?

Quote:

Thanks guys for input. I had a very tight table image here (played
long time in this table). So I had late position to call 1.05 at 4 dollar
pot giving me great odds even though my holdings were pretty weak.

In early position i would have folded KJ off. Do you think my
preflop call was clear error? Given the nearly 4-1 pot odds?

yes the preflop call is abysmal. Think of all the times you lose a big pot here and how often you win a big pot (almost never).

Quote:

I got 2nd to nuts fl draw and decided to play strong because I knew
villain was quite weak tight.

it's actually the 4th nut draw where you could be drawing dead, you have no idea where you are at if you hit, and instead of implied odds this draw has terrible reverse implied odds. And I love being agressive, but leading this flop into so many players with nothing is just spewing.

Quote:

Flop bet was just called so I decided to fire 2nd barrel after turn
AK,KK was only holdin i was probably loosing and additional
bonus was 2nd to nuts redraw. So I estimated my likelihood winning
here 60-70%.

how do you win 60-70% of the time against that range? 10% maybe? depends on his suits.

Turska

05-22-2006, 08:29 AM Post subject: Nice replys

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Thanks guys for very constructive input!

T.

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