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pokerfan
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07-26-2008, 08:01 AM
Post subject: Hero was confused about Two hands in 200NL live
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4-of-a-Kind
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i popped into my local casino and played 10 hours the whole Friday night.
i was a little bit confused about these two hands. The table was loose aggressive preflop and lots of low standard ppl saw the flop as usual.
Hand 1: CO($460) raised $10, BT($210) 3 bet up to $20, small blind($190) called, hero($550) in big blind had 77, CO was a loose guy and raised wide range of hands in late positions, BT was also loose and had no idea of how to play good poker. small blind was a semi-tight guy, not a good player by any means. So its hero's turn, should i call or fold in this situation???
hand 2: Villain was an uber aggressive semi-loose table bully who always made huge overbets with top pair worse kicker or other Mediocre stuff like its exactly his job . He pushed around ppl and built his stack up to around $1.1k.
3 limpers from early positions, villain on the BT limped, Hero had
:Ad: :Jc: and completed small blind.
flop came out like : :As:   , Hero checked, all limpers checked, BT(villain) bet $20, Hero insta called, others folded.
turn  Hero bet $35 , BT called
river:  Hero bet $35, BT raised to $200 , Hero??
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pokerfan
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any folks with live experiences are welcome to give advice. :P
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daven
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I don't have live experience (no casino in my city!), so take this with a grain of salt!
Hand 1) Call - you have set odds, if they're as bad as you say they're happy to stack off with TPTK...
Hand 2) dunno, I tend towards folding vs K9.
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aka_red
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bet more on the turn 45ish.
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pokerfan
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no problem,  Lots of players at my table got pissed off by that table bully.
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Originally Posted by daven
I don't have live experience (no casino in my city!), so take this with a grain of salt!
Hand 1) Call - you have set odds, if they're as bad as you say they're happy to stack off with TPTK...
Hand 2) dunno, I tend towards folding vs K9.
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pokerfan
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sorry, i made some mistake about some cards.
two tone flop and another flush card came out on the river
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Originally Posted by reDZill4
bet more on the turn 45ish.
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BankItDrew
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Hand 1: Call, play for set.
Hand 2: Good play until the river. I like how we gave control of the hand to villain on the flop and river.... constantly inducing bluffs. Why should this change on the river? Check to him. Let's assume they were bluffing the whole time - I don't see any value with our river bet. Let's say they were on a draw - Still, no value from this bet. There really are zero hands that might call this tiny river bet, excluding maybe a weaker ace - but even then.... you played the hand like a flush draw and finally hit.
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pokerfan
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if i really checked on the river instead of this blocking bet, he'd bet huge on the river like $100 or above. Would we really have confidence and call off our stack in this situation even if we knew he played super aggressively the whole way?? By the way, this guy was not an idiot and bet aggressively with his winning hands a few times on the river..
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Hand 1: Call, play for set.
Hand 2: Good play until the river. I like how we gave control of the hand to villain on the flop and river.... constantly inducing bluffs. Why should this change on the river? Check to him. Let's assume they were bluffing the whole time - I don't see any value with our river bet. Let's say they were on a draw - Still, no value from this bet. There really are zero hands that might call this tiny river bet, excluding maybe a weaker ace - but even then.... you played the hand like a flush draw and finally hit.
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
this guy was not an idiot and bet aggressively with his winning hands a few times on the river..
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Easy fold then?
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pokerfan
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he often overvalued TPWK or other pairs stuff. I cant really say for sure that he wouldnt try a huge bluff there cuz he was the table bully with a monster stack.
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
this guy was not an idiot and bet aggressively with his winning hands a few times on the river..
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Easy fold then?[/quote]
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
I cant really say for sure that he wouldnt try a huge bluff there
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Neither can anyone else. The key is to make the most out of weaker hands and lose the least amount to stronger hands. As played, I think we need to check the river and call nearly any bet. At least the river will probably be less than $200 if we check to villain.
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Fnord
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Hand 1: Fold because of the chance it gets re-raised behind you. Even then, implied odds aren't that good. The re-raise to $20 is usually a very big hand.
Hand 2: It depends. How deep was the money pre-flop?
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pokerfan
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hand 1: its exactly what i thought in the heat of the moment
hand 2: The bully had like $1.2k stack and hero had around $550
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Hand 1: Fold because of the chance it gets re-raised behind you. Even then, implied odds aren't that good. The re-raise to $20 is usually a very big hand.
Hand 2: It depends. How deep was the money pre-flop?
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Fnord
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Calling hand 2 is fine. Body language, game flow, etc. all feed into this decision.
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hand 1- fold
hand 2- if youre going to take such a fishy line vs this guy, youd better expect this bet from him and know whether your bet is a blocker or an inducer
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Fnord
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hand 2- if youre going to take such a fishy line vs this guy, youd better expect this bet from him and know whether your bet is a blocker or an inducer
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This too. Checking the river is probably better as he'll see right through a blocker.
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Fnord
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One other thought, next time you see a guy like this, pay attention to what he does well and bring some of that into your game.
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pokerfan
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yeah, this alberta wild guy from western canada is on my buddy list already. He did bluff me off this hand cuz my river line was too exploitable and he showed some fearless fighting spirit. He finally left the table with a $1.4k monster stack even though he went down to $300 at some point.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
One other thought, next time you see a guy like this, pay attention to what he does well and bring some of that into your game.
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