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bspahn

12-14-2005, 12:50 AM Post subject: HELP! Been a while

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Join Date: Dec 2004

Posts: 851

Ok it's been a while. I'm generally playing 0.5/1.0 NL lately and I'm extremely frustrated. As far as I know from +EV i should have made some money but i'm way down. I'm not sure if *only* beats are to be blamed though.

I need some advice on the following hands:
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Game #1562565213: Hold'em NL (£0.50/£1) - 2005/12/12 - 19:21:49 (BST)
Table "Alex" Seat 3 is the button.
Seat 1: 2_y_y_2 (£53 in chips)
Seat 2: Jack290 (£118.18 in chips)
Seat 3: Boshmosh (£56.33 in chips)
Seat 4: herbanov (£123.25 in chips)
Seat 5: Geof01016 (£16 in chips)
Seat 6: steve13 (£49.91 in chips)
herbanov: posts small blind £0.50
Geof01016: posts big blind £1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to herbanov [Kd Kc]
steve13: calls £1
2_y_y_2: folds
Jack290: folds
Boshmosh: folds
herbanov: raises to £4
Geof01016: folds
steve13: calls £3
----- FLOP ----- [7c As 4c]
herbanov: bets £5
steve13: calls £5
----- TURN ----- [7c As 4c][3c]
herbanov: bets £5
steve13: calls £5
----- RIVER ----- [7c As 4c 3c][2d]
herbanov: checks
steve13: bets £13
herbanov: folds
Returned uncalled bets £13 to steve13
steve13: doesn't show hand
steve13 collected £27.75 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot £29 Main pot £27.75 Rake £1.25
Board [7c As 4c 3c 2d]
Seat 1: 2_y_y_2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Jack290 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Boshmosh (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: herbanov (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 5: Geof01016 (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: steve13 collected £27.75

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------HAND 14------
Game #1565013003: Hold'em NL ($0.50/$1) - 2005/12/12 - 22:55:45 (UK)
Table "Alnitak" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: thomas996 sits out
Seat 2: Ijcspeed ($119.25 in chips)
Seat 3: herbanov ($96 in chips)
Seat 4: MadDog80 ($147.50 in chips)
Seat 5: chita ($72 in chips)
Ijcspeed: posts small blind $0.50
herbanov: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to herbanov [Kd Th]
MadDog80: folds
chita: calls $1
Ijcspeed: folds
herbanov: checks
----- FLOP ----- [Kh Ts Qh]
herbanov: bets $1
chita: calls $1
----- TURN ----- [Kh Ts Qh][2h]
herbanov: bets $1
chita: raises to $2
herbanov: calls $1
----- RIVER ----- [Kh Ts Qh 2h][9c]
herbanov: checks
chita: bets $10
herbanov: folds
Returned uncalled bets $10 to chita
chita: doesn't show hand
chita collected $8.25 from Main pot

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I am dealt KQ off suit

> bspahn raised for $3
> cagey250 called for $3
> Duckfighter folded
> Ballex88 folded
> Dealing the Flop(Qd 8c 5d)
> bspahn bet for $5
> cagey250 called for $5
> Dealing the turn(5h)
> bspahn bet for $8
> cagey250 called for $8
> Dealing the river(10d)
> bspahn bet for $10
> cagey250 raised for $30
> bspahn folded
> cagey250 mucked
> cagey250 wins $70.85

-------------------
> Game # 611,248,952 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
> bspahn dealt Ad 9h
> Duckfighter called for $1
> Ballex88 called for $1
> bjatlor folded
> bspahn called for $0.50
> cagey250 checked
> Dealing the Flop(7c Ac 5c)
> bspahn checked
> cagey250 checked
> Duckfighter bet for $3
> Ballex88 folded
> bspahn called for $3
> cagey250 folded
> Dealing the turn(Qd)
> bspahn checked
> Duckfighter bet for $7
> bspahn called for $7
> Dealing the river(5h)
> bspahn checked
> Duckfighter bet for $24
> bspahn, you have 10 seconds to respond
> bspahn folded
> Duckfighter mucked
> Duckfighter wins $46.80

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bspahn

12-14-2005, 12:53 AM

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Additional Information:

I seem to have a problem putting people on hands, I'm just not learning something right. At least a handful of times per day I have a reasonable hand (TPTK etc) when i bet the flop bet the turn and either get raised there or on the river. I'll generally call minraises but when I bet $5 and someone raises to $15 I almost never call. Some examples are above.

At this exact limit, how often are people really bluffing as it *seems* they are a lot of the time, to me. If someone bets the pot on the river or overbets at any given stage - I have no idea what that means!!

It's extremely frustrating and I have no idea how to approach this differently. People view me as the ultra-tight player at every single table I'm at and I think I'm grossly being taken advantage of through bluffs!

PLEASE HELP!!

sejje

12-14-2005, 04:20 AM

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Posts: 883

I muck all of those.

Hand 1) I check/fold the turn. Not worth the $5 (I'll use a dollar sign)

Hand 2) I think the easiest laydown. The turn brought both the flush and the one-card straight with a jack. I think he's got a flush.

Hand 3) I think Fnord would say "you have to call that sometimes." I say fold it this time. I don't usually pay off when people hit the flush. If they're bluffing, okay, they drew without odds to TRY and bluff me. If they make a smaller raise I probably call.

Hand 4) I think the first 10.50 was put in behind. If he doesn't have a flush, he's surely at least got you kicked. I think he has a flush. Easy river fold.

I've been playing 100NL lately, and I don't feel like (most) of the players are big bluffers. They overestimate hand strength a lot (I'm one of those), but raises in a medium sized pot are usually pretty big raises. I wouldn't expect you to win any of the above hands if you called.

bspahn

12-14-2005, 07:25 PM

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Posts: 851

so what do you think of overbets like the $10 on $8 pot? I find those ridiculous. If you have a good hand and want a call you WILL make a value bet, that is NOT a value bet

strikes me that often when you see players do that a couple times against you they are EITHER bluffing or have a strong hand and want you to call thinking it's a bluff. Either way tough scenario

how about the following hand:
#Game No : 3199978416
***** Hand History for Game 3199978416 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 14, 14:05:14 EDT 2005
Table Table 65740 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: Ziebed ( $110.60 )
Seat 6: BSPAHN ( $106.17 )
Seat 1: RealMeatHook ( $63.60 )
Seat 5: Paint222 ( $107.20 )
Seat 4: pokerbreznik ( $0 )
Seat 2: MGAMBS60 ( $75.25 )
RealMeatHook posts small blind [$0.50].
MGAMBS60 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to BSPAHN [ Kd Kc ]
Ziebed folds.
Paint222 folds.
BSPAHN raises [$4].
RealMeatHook folds.
MGAMBS60 calls [$3].

** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, 6h, 2d ]
MGAMBS60 checks.
BSPAHN bets [$8].
MGAMBS60 calls [$8].

** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
MGAMBS60 checks.

BSPAHN bets [$10].
MGAMBS60 calls [$10].

** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
MGAMBS60 is all-In [$53.25]
BSPAHN folds.
MGAMBS60 does not show cards.
MGAMBS60 wins $95.75

Miffed22001

12-14-2005, 07:51 PM

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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Betting KK on an ace high flop is -ev imo. You raise preflop and get a call. Put opp on a few hands, AQ maybe AJ AKis also possible, but you would expect a reraise or a pp. Being first to act here i would check it, let opp define his hand. The point i would make here is that if opp has the ace then if the flush hits you have a bluff oppertunity. Otherwise its an easy fold if he bets i guess.
2nd hand id bet hard. If u get a cold call then you could be up against AJ or a drawer. Noone else stays in this pot if you play it hard.#
hand3. you have to call here. Too easy for opp to have a flush or two pair. If he goes around calling raises with QT then u wanna play more poker with him! The only hand i fear here is AQ, if he has the flush again get him labelled.
Hand4 reraise here or fold. SImple. look for cheap showdown. Checking the river is soooo bad!

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