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Strung
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11-21-2005, 03:46 AM
Post subject: Having problems with TPTK
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 209
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I started playing $25 NL a few weeks ago at party. I started with $200 and have worked up to >$600 but I still am learning and find myself in situations I don't quite know how to handle so I haven't moved up yet. I give you exhibit A
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
MP2 ($29.75)
MP3 ($52.44)
CO ($24.75)
Button ($31.25)
Hero ($45.60)
BB ($35.78)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($36.25)
UTG+2 ($24.75)
MP1 ($39.75)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A , K . Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
4 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, Hero (poster) raises to $1.9, BB calls $1.75, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $1.75, CO folds, Button calls $1.75.
Flop: ($8.50) Q , 3, A (4 players)
Hero bets $5, BB folds, MP3 calls $5, Button folds.
Turn: ($18.50) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $7, MP3 calls $7.
River: ($32.50) T (2 players)
Hero bets $6, MP3 calls $6.
Final Pot: $44.50
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TalentedTom
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Toronto
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Not much problem here, good value
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Tom.S
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sejje
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
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I play that exactly the same. You usually have people beat when they just call down.
The way you talk, I assume you lost, but I can't see what hand that beats you doesn't raise the river.
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Fnord
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Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
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Don't back off on your bet sizes, at least scale back to repeat bets or check. Betting $6 on the river after $7 on the turn is a very poor blocking bet size. $7-$10 will give you less grief.
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lamaros
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Flush
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 346
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If I pegged you as a tight player I'd be tempted to come over the top of that river with a bluff. You're basicly advertising you dont have AA or QQ. As your pf bet says AA/KK/QQ/AK it doesn't leave much to the oppositions imagination.
Of course, if you have a loose tricky image this is all different.
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johnny_fish
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
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I'd check the river. Maybe that's weak. I just don't see which weaker hands would pay me off.
NB: How is it possible that all players have 25$ or more?! I'm used to at least 3 short stacks at the table.
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Strung
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 209
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Don't back off on your bet sizes, at least scale back to repeat bets or check. Betting $6 on the river after $7 on the turn is a very poor blocking bet size. $7-$10 will give you less grief.
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This is the problem I am having at this level. I WANT to fire off bigger bets but I can never tell what these guys are holding. I've seen some pretty strange call downs and after I get called AGAIN on the turn I'm not too sure what to think, especially being out of position.
I always see people describing players at this level as being too confident in TPTK and I just find myself not knowing where to draw the line.
PS - RESULTS:
Villian : turn over 33 for a full house
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ProZachNation
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Full House
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Over there!
Posts: 801
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Yeah its hard to get out of the way of a Flopped set like that and you end up having to pay it off. Should have bet a bit larger on the river, if I were him I would have came over the top only fearing pocket AQ which he may have put you on if you had bet larger on the flop.
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Originally Posted by mrhappy333
I didn't think its Bold to bang some chick with my bro. but i guess so... thats +EV in my book.
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Strung
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2005
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The thing that got me about this hand: Him calling 7x more BB with 33. Am I wrong in thinking this has to be a -EV play? I could see calling 3-4 more BB to see the flop but I'd much rather be the aggressor than just call with something like that.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Strung
I've seen some pretty strange call downs and after I get called AGAIN on the turn I'm not too sure what to think, especially being out of position.
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Great reason for a river blocking bet. Maybe (cry) and call a min-raise, fold to anything else.
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Originally Posted by Strung
The thing that got me about this hand: Him calling 7x more BB with 33. Am I wrong in thinking this has to be a -EV play? I could see calling 3-4 more BB to see the flop but I'd much rather be the aggressor than just call with something like that.
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If you can't tell if his play was +EV or -EV, don't play above 25NL. You clearly dont understand a couple key concepts.
Be glad your opponent sucks really bad at playing post-flop and saved you a lot of money.
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EricE
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 894
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I play it the same but check the river. Q with a bad kicker may play the way your opp did. I can’t imagine him calling the flop but some do with just Qs. I have to imagine I am beat after the turn call.
…just looked at results.
I can’t imagine him not raising the river. I mean, does he really think he might be beaten? Sheesh. I mean, AQ, QT would bet harder here.
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Stakes: Playing $0.10/$0.25 NL
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Strung
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 209
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No, I got my math wrong and I forgot he was a deeper stack too. $2 is only 3% of his stack so +EV, comparing to the 1/8 to hit your set.
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