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Old 01-20-2007, 07:51 PM     Post subject: Have nuts, two streets to go, standard? #1 (permalink)  
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trAAAcy is a rock over 400 hands
firdell is SLAG over 200 hands

So yeah I flopped the nuts, but is my play pretty standard with two more streets?

** Game ID 1152789456 starting - 2007-01-20 12:47:59
** Red Tag [Hold 'em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Olisek sitting in seat 1 with $20.00 [Dealer]
- djony333pc sitting in seat 2 with $20.06
- Scrimmage sitting in seat 3 with $22.87
- Jennnifer sitting in seat 5 with $16.29
- trAAAcy sitting in seat 6 with $20.80
- Marcus_Kalix sitting in seat 7 with $11.65
- szwindel sitting in seat 8 with $30.80
- Lotharius sitting in seat 9 with $33.67
- firdell sitting in seat 10 with $28.14

djony333pc posted the small blind - $0.10
Scrimmage posted the big blind - $0.20
firdell posted to play - $0.20
** Dealing card to Scrimmage: 5 of Spades, 4 of Spades
Jennnifer folded
trAAAcy called - $0.20
Marcus_Kalix folded
szwindel called - $0.20
Lotharius folded
firdell checked
Olisek folded
djony333pc folded
Scrimmage checked

** Dealing the flop: 7 of Spades, 3 of Spades, 6 of Hearts
Scrimmage checked
trAAAcy bet - $0.90
szwindel folded
firdell raised - $2.00
Scrimmage raised - $8.00
trAAAcy called - $8.00
firdell went all-in - $26.14
Scrimmage went all-in - $14.87
trAAAcy went all-in - $12.60
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Old 01-20-2007, 08:24 PM #2 (permalink)  
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depends how aware they are. Cold calling the flop raise is going to set alarm bells off for a decent player anyway but if they suck I probably just call
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Old 01-20-2007, 10:37 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I bet flop. I have a feeling the money got in here because they had good hands, not because of deception.

Reasons for betting out:
1) Flush draw
2) 50% of the cards to come are scare cards for either you or your villain (thus killing action)
3) it's a limped pot
4) position - the sLAG (aka most likely to bet/raise) is on your right. As played he raised, you 3 bet. This puts maximal pressure on the people in between, bad. If you bet and everyone calls, then sLag raises there is already a ton of dead money in the pot, good.

If the table is tight I'm leading this flop like 80% with nothing. If I catch any piece (including flush draws) I'm leading this flop 100%. So a flop bet will mean nothing to an observant opponent.
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Old 01-20-2007, 11:57 PM #4 (permalink)  

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Originally Posted by swiggidy
I bet flop. I have a feeling the money got in here because they had good hands, not because of deception.

Reasons for betting out:
1) Flush draw
2) 50% of the cards to come are scare cards for either you or your villain (thus killing action)
3) it's a limped pot
4) position - the sLAG (aka most likely to bet/raise) is on your right. As played he raised, you 3 bet. This puts maximal pressure on the people in between, bad. If you bet and everyone calls, then sLag raises there is already a ton of dead money in the pot, good.
I agree with reasons 2 & 4. However, I don't think we should worry about the flush here b/c OP is holding 2 spades. I also disagree with #3. The fact that it is a limped pot, and therefore a small one, makes playing deceptively a bit more attractive. If the pot were larger, I would agree that would should play our hand in a more straight-forward manner. We flopped the nuts, we want to get paid for it. If we lead I think we risk picking up a very meager pot with our nut hand, especially since we already know that one of our opponents is a huge rock.
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Old 01-23-2007, 05:34 AM #5 (permalink)  
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lead flop like 95% of the time. i personally bet full pot or even slightly more.
Domin8, your final sentence shows that you need to work on your understanding of how to maximize expectation with nut hands.
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