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TerryToma

09-20-2006, 05:21 AM Post subject: hardest hand of the day.

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Opponent decent, 20/5.

PokerRoom No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 ($92.10)
MP3 ($169.50)
Hero ($98.50)
Button ($109.60)
SB ($31.50)
BB ($100.60)
UTG ($35.90)
UTG+1 ($34.20)
UTG+2 ($92.60)
MP1 ($74.00)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A

, Q

.
5 folds, MP3 raises to $3.5, Hero calls $3.50, Button calls $3.50, 2 folds.

Flop: ($12) J

, A

, 9

(3 players)
MP3 bets $8, Hero calls $8, Button folds.

Turn: ($28) Q

(2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $25, MP3 bets $158 (All-In), Hero...

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Renton

09-20-2006, 05:46 AM

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Don't get into the habit of telegraphing your hand strength by betting full pot on the turn here. I think 20-21 is probably a sufficient value bet. I think the turn is a fold vs this player and not really close.

Probably the worst hand he does this with is AxKd.

Setzy

09-20-2006, 06:06 AM

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He raises 5 percent of hands, which is basically like the top 10 hands (given this is a significant sample, you don't have # of hands posted with this particular opponent).

You were raised preflop from MP3 with ZERO limpers to 3.5BB (NOT 7 SETZY IS A DUMBASS). I would take the lesser of the top ten hands out of the equation, leaving pretty much JJ+, AK, AQ.

On a fairly nasty looking flop (especially if he raised something like QQ or KK), he bets out 2/3 pot. Appears to be pretty standard, and doesn't really stand out in the line. I like the call, and you definitely don't want to go broke with one pair and good kicker, you want to see more cards.

So the turn comes. It's a blessing and a curse. Completes flushes (which I DON'T think this particular opponent was on, very very outside chance of KJd or something, but I doubt it).

But he checks. You make a big bet, letting him know you aren't afraid of much. But then the hammer falls, and he pushes it all in. I cannot see this being any sort of bluff. I would be reasonably sure he had one of those high pocket pair sets given the action, (my guess is JJd or QQ), and did not want to let you see a river cheaply.

I'd drop this one, too much to call for two pair when you aren't ahead of a whole lot.

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martindcx1e

09-20-2006, 06:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Setzy

You were raised preflop from MP3 with ZERO limpers to 7BB. I would take the lesser of the top ten hands out of the equation, leaving pretty much JJ+, AK, AQ.

pretty sure this is 100NL

I fold PF & fold after push.

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TerryToma

09-20-2006, 06:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by Setzy

You were raised preflop from MP3 with ZERO limpers to 7BB. I would take the lesser of the top ten hands out of the equation, leaving pretty much JJ+, AK, AQ.

pretty sure this is 100NL

yeah it was 3.5big blind. 100NL.

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Turska

09-20-2006, 06:50 AM

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All I can say is that Its very hard decision. I generally
dont like to loose my stack with 2 pr though. Unless
I have strong reads opponent being maniac/fish.

Ravageur

09-20-2006, 07:03 AM

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I like a turn check here in position. He took the 'stackadonk' line and I really think a tag's range here based on his line is JJ, QQ or a flush.

At least you found out where you are, and now you can fold. The only hands that are calling that you beat is maybe AK and I think in that case he'd only call the turn.

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Genitruc

09-20-2006, 07:16 AM

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Genitruc is an unknown quantity at this point

Villain has a flush here like approximately 0% of the time

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Genitruc

09-20-2006, 07:23 AM

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btw I like a check here as well. He almost never has AJ/A9. I'd rather protect my stack and give him a free draw to a flush w KdKx (which is also a possibility if villain is aggro postflop... unlikely though) than price myself in for a shitty decision if he is checkraising. Plus you get to draw to a boat vs JJ/QQ/(unlikely)99.

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Miffed22001

09-20-2006, 11:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

pretty sure this is 100NL

I reraise or fold PF & raise on the flop with threat and check behind on the turn calling a reasonable river bet unless i boat up.

Fyp nit

fwiw, i think opp had JJ. Sucked out QQ or possibly AA also, but thats like one outer country

Setzy

09-20-2006, 11:05 PM

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Either way I stand by my analysis, but change what I said to 3.5bb <-- 50NL donk :P

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TerryToma

09-20-2006, 11:13 PM

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yeah i folded i put him JJ.

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