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lamaros

11-12-2005, 03:26 PM Post subject: Hard To Tell

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I put him on low Ax. Do you call down like me?

Stage #224101892: Holdem No Limit $0.05 - 2005-11-12 11:22:49 (ET)
Table: BERKELEY (Real Money) Seat #8 is the dealer
Seat 8 - ALRIC13 ($10.42 in chips)
Seat 9 - IVARM ($18.90 in chips)
Seat 1 - TINAUD ($11.10 in chips)
Seat 2 - LAMAROS ($30.72 in chips)
Seat 3 - FIREACE ($2.50 in chips)
Seat 4 - NYKNICKS383 ($2.45 in chips)
Seat 5 - FOOTBEER ($5.75 in chips)
Seat 6 - ELMERPFUDD ($12.20 in chips)
IVARM - Posts small blind $0.05
TINAUD - Posts big blind $0.10
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to LAMAROS [Ad 10s]
LAMAROS - Calls $0.10
FIREACE - Calls $0.10
NYKNICKS383 - Calls $0.10
FOOTBEER - Folds
ELMERPFUDD - Folds
ALRIC13 - Folds
IVARM - Folds
TINAUD - Checks
*** FLOP *** [5d 9c As]
TINAUD - Checks
LAMAROS - Bets $0.15
FIREACE - Raises $0.30 to $0.30
NYKNICKS383 - Calls $0.30
TINAUD - Folds
LAMAROS - Calls $0.15
*** TURN *** [5d 9c As] [8s]
LAMAROS - Checks
FIREACE - Bets $0.60
NYKNICKS383 - Calls $0.60
LAMAROS - Calls $0.60
*** RIVER *** [5d 9c As 8s] [2c]
LAMAROS - Checks
FIREACE - All-In $1.50
NYKNICKS383 - Folds
LAMAROS - Calls $1.50

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PokerPatNEU

11-12-2005, 05:05 PM

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How many "x" cards are left that you beat? 4 cards lower than T on the board besides the ace. If he has a lower kicker than T, theres a 50/50 chance that he's paired it. I raise the flop again for real, and let him define his hand.

SinkRox

11-12-2005, 08:00 PM

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eek.. you best hope he's got a weak ace or some aggro bluff cos thats all ur beating, ur loosing to many more hands and im sure more often than not here you're loosing... this is why you dont limp ATo UTG.

Apart from preflop I fold the turn here, as it got you slightly pot commited. Also if you're going to check call an all-in, sometimes it may be worth making the push urself as you have fold equity - maybe not here with the blank river card... but thats something you need to be able to stop and ask yourself/realise.

dont wanne be blunt but one way to get out of these tricky situations is to not even get in them in the first place! learn and respect position more... you've read the books so all it takes from now is experience I guess.

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Fnord

11-13-2005, 05:00 AM

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You play too many hands and probably don't raise enough.

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Lukie

11-13-2005, 05:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SinkRox

respect position more

Fnord

11-13-2005, 05:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukie

Quote:

Originally Posted by SinkRox

respect position more

When the money all goes in post-flop position is huge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

lamaros

11-13-2005, 07:06 AM

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When the tables are really weak I tend to trust my ability to read and outplay them post-flop. Only reasona I played that hand.

He turned over A8o.

Fnord

11-13-2005, 07:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lamaros

When the tables are really weak I tend to trust my ability to read and outplay them post-flop.

There is some merit to this line of thought, however it's very dangerous and few players have that much of a post-flop edge after the rake is taken out.

The biggest problem I have is that a poorly played premium hand with position is still going to cost me money here.

"let's take some lukewarm hands and see a flop" seems to be a re-occuring theme for you. Most players who think like this have very serious leaks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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