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Renton
Old 03-07-2006, 01:11 AM     Post subject: Hands from todays down session for comment. #1 (permalink)  
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Not much I could do about this one. Point out anything if you can.


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CO ($24.65)
Button ($22.30)
SB ($26.25)
BB ($63.86)
UTG ($128.98)
UTG+1 ($35.31)
MP1 ($28.10)
MP2 ($39.01)
Hero ($25)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, A. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.5, 3 folds, BB calls $1.25, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds.

Flop: ($3.60) 9, 2, Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB calls $62.36 (All-In), Hero calls $19.50 (All-In).

Turn: ($89.46) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($89.46) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $89.46

Results in white below:
BB has Kh Kc (flush, king high).
Hero has Ad Ac (flush, queen high).
Outcome: BB wins $89.46.



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This is standard, right?


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UTG ($14.10)
UTG+1 ($20.82)
MP1 ($5.40)
MP2 ($24.40)
CO ($46.60)
Button ($32.69)
SB ($24.75)
Hero ($25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, A. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, Hero raises to $2, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $2, CO folds, SB folds.

Flop: ($5.25) 4, 6, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, UTG+1 calls $18.57 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $28.82

Results in white below:
No showdown. UTG+1 wins $28.82.


#3


Alright I know the play in this hand is awful. I just want you guys to reiterate to me just exactly how awful it is and what makes it awful. The only thing I can think of in my own defense is that it was hard to put Villain on the straight draw since he was calling my pot sized bets without hesitation.

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Button ($14.45)
SB ($13.65)
BB ($7.30)
UTG ($22.29)
UTG+1 ($25.05)
UTG+2 ($15.31)
MP1 ($4.25)
MP2 ($26.10)
MP3 ($23.65)
Hero ($24.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, J. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 4 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, 3 folds, UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1.

Flop: ($4.10) 9, Q, J (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $4, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $4.

Turn: ($12.10) 9 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $10, UTG+1 calls $10.

River: ($32.10) K (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero calls $9.25 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $9.25.

Final Pot: $50.60

Results in white below:
UTG+1 has Ts Th (straight, king high).
Hero has Kh Jh (two pair, kings and jacks).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins $50.60.


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Hero ($61.20)
SB ($9.80)
BB ($20.07)
UTG ($28.71)
UTG+1 ($20)
MP1 ($31.10)
MP2 ($37.70)
MP3 ($11.25)
CO ($11.60)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, J. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
6 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, SB (poster) calls $1.15, 1 fold.

Flop: ($2.75) 2, 8, J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB raises to $4, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($10.75) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($10.75) 6 (2 players)
SB calls $4.55 (All-In), Hero calls $4.55.

Final Pot: $19.85

Results in white below:
SB has Ac Ah (one pair, aces).
Hero has Qh Jh (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: SB wins $19.85.
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Old 03-07-2006, 01:16 AM #2 (permalink)  
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1 &2 already posted.
3 yeah, it's really terrible. No way your hand justifies action on all 3 streets.
4 If you think you're good on the flop, just get all of the money in there against shortie.
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Old 03-07-2006, 01:24 AM #3 (permalink)  
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1 &2 already posted.
ya just realized this. Well I guess it doesn't hurt to consolidate them all.
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Old 03-07-2006, 01:37 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand #2 : Aggression is good and all, but I don't raise AQ from the blinds like this. Maybe if the cutoff and button limped then I might, but not UTG limpers (unless I had a solid read I could blow them off pre flop). I used to raise these hands, but I just felt like I was ending up in too many sticky situations post flop - it's not worth the hassle in my opinion. OK, you may have the best hand, but you also have the worst position. I remember another hand you posted where you made a similar play with ATo. Fine from position, not worth it from the blinds IMO.
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Old 03-07-2006, 01:41 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand #2 : Aggression is good and all, but I don't raise AQ from the blinds like this. Maybe if the cutoff and button limped then I might, but not UTG limpers (unless I had a solid read I could blow them off pre flop). I used to raise these hands, but I just felt like I was ending up in too many sticky situations post flop - it's not worth the hassle in my opinion. OK, you may have the best hand, but you also have the worst position. I remember another hand you posted where you made a similar play with ATo. Fine from position, not worth it from the blinds IMO.
hehe I guess this is why your VPIP is like 12%.

No offense meant. Your tight play seems to be working out for you.

If you don't raise AQ from BB, then what DO you raise? Just AA, KK , QQ and AK I presume?
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hehe I guess this is why your VPIP is like 12%.
You can run at 12/4 and kill these games. That said, I'm running 15/5.5 over the last few thousand - feels as if im playing like Gus Hansen

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If you don't raise AQ from BB, then what DO you raise? Just AA, KK , QQ and AK I presume?
Haha, sometimes I'll raise lower pockets, occasionally I'll raise crap. Often I don't even even raise from the blinds with big slick. This probably is weak and tragic, but I just hate building a big pot OOP, when most of the time Ill have multiple callers and I wont flop a pair. Then I'll no doubt spew a c-bet too, and end up folding off a big pot. I think raising out of the blinds sucks, but I may well be wrong and I'd be interested to hear others opinion.

I'm sure Fnord posted about this, but I can't find it.
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KhJh hand. What is the point of your turn bet? Are you trying to get him to fold a better hand? River push is terrible. Easiest check behind ever. What hand that you beat is calling off 40BB's on the river?

QhJh hand. What Fnord said. You don't want a hand like 9T or Jx sucking out on you because you let him see the turn and river for free. TPGK against a shortie, all in baby!
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Old 03-07-2006, 09:53 PM #8 (permalink)  
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hand #2. Do you see why your preflop play can put you in a world of hurt post-flop? I certainly like the agression, but you are in a clear +EV situation in a 5-way limped pot with terrible position, but a well disguised hand. IMO your preflop play turns this hand into what would be a positive expectation into what is almost surely a negative expectation, IMO.

You take this hand and jack it up to 8x into what looks like a very loose, passive, probably terrible field that likes to call too much. You have a hand that will miss 70% of the time, and when you hit, it's going to be pretty clear to the rest of the field. Being OOP with full stacks really makes this a big problem.

Don't turn AQ into 72....

I could be way off base here, but this is similar to bumping it up a second time preflop with a hand like AKo. You aren't really doing it on the strength of your hand, but rather the fact that 1) since you hold an ace and a king (or A and Q in your example), it is less likely that somebody else holds a big hand. And 2) You actually have a hand to fall back on, albeit the post-flop playability of an AK type hand is far worse then a KK/AA type hand, for obvious reasons.
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Renton,

hand #2. Do you see why your preflop play can put you in a world of hurt post-flop? I certainly like the agression, but you are in a clear +EV situation in a 5-way limped pot with terrible position, but a well disguised hand. IMO your preflop play turns this hand into what would be a positive expectation into what is almost surely a negative expectation, IMO.

You take this hand and jack it up to 8x into what looks like a very loose, passive, probably terrible field that likes to call too much. You have a hand that will miss 70% of the time, and when you hit, it's going to be pretty clear to the rest of the field. Being OOP with full stacks really makes this a big problem.

Don't turn AQ into 72....

I could be way off base here, but this is similar to bumping it up a second time preflop with a hand like AKo. You aren't really doing it on the strength of your hand, but rather the fact that 1) since you hold an ace and a king (or A and Q in your example), it is less likely that somebody else holds a big hand. And 2) You actually have a hand to fall back on, albeit the post-flop playability of an AK type hand is far worse then a KK/AA type hand, for obvious reasons.
Yeah, this is good advice. Now do you see why I was telling you in your other thread that raising ATo out of the BB after a bunch of limpers is a bad play? Of course AQo is a much better hand, but they play exactly the same the 2/3 of the time you will miss the flop.
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