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donkbee

11-07-2006, 04:56 AM Post subject: the hands never stop! more 25NL fun.

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More hands. Thanks in advance. I wish I had reads, but I don't so don't ask

Edit: forgot to convert. Dammit! Next time.

1) First hand at the table. Uhh?

PokerStars Game #6923064407: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/11/06 - 21:50:05 (ET)
Table 'Aguntina II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: maggotfeed ($5.10 in chips)
Seat 3: jimmerjr ($45.40 in chips)
Seat 4: 4FIFTY4 ($40.45 in chips)
Seat 5: howard174 ($29.65 in chips)
Seat 6: dollesmi ($14.85 in chips)
Seat 7: courtiebee ($25 in chips)
Seat 8: riverfro ($53.40 in chips)
Seat 9: Rounders_KK ($2.45 in chips)
dollesmi: posts small blind $0.10
courtiebee: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to courtiebee [Td 9c]
riverfro: folds
Rounders_KK: folds
maggotfeed: folds
jimmerjr: folds
4FIFTY4: folds
howard174: raises $0.25 to $0.50
dollesmi: folds
courtiebee: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Qh Js Ks]
courtiebee: bets $0.80
howard174: calls $0.80
*** TURN *** [Qh Js Ks] [7c]
courtiebee: bets $2
howard174: calls $2
*** RIVER *** [Qh Js Ks 7c] [Ts]
courtiebee: checks
howard174: bets $3
courtiebee: folds

2) I guess any time you're gonna be hoping you have the best hand when you call, you shouldn't be calling. So fold?

PokerStars Game #6923165192: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/11/06 - 21:57:00 (ET)
Table 'Aguntina II' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: maggotfeed ($5.35 in chips)
Seat 2: sirlockness ($30.55 in chips)
Seat 3: jimmerjr ($44.15 in chips)
Seat 4: 4FIFTY4 ($40.45 in chips)
Seat 5: howard174 ($33.30 in chips)
Seat 6: dollesmi ($11.75 in chips)
Seat 7: courtiebee ($25.50 in chips)
Seat 8: riverfro ($50.55 in chips)
Seat 9: Rounders_KK ($2.10 in chips)
howard174: posts small blind $0.10
dollesmi: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to courtiebee [4d 4c]
courtiebee: calls $0.25
riverfro: folds
Rounders_KK: folds
maggotfeed: folds
sirlockness: folds
jimmerjr: calls $0.25
4FIFTY4: folds
howard174: calls $0.15
dollesmi: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h Qs 5h]
howard174: bets $1
dollesmi: folds
courtiebee: raises $2 to $3
jimmerjr: folds
howard174: calls $2
*** TURN *** [4h Qs 5h] [Js]
howard174: checks
courtiebee: bets $4
howard174: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [4h Qs 5h Js] [7s]
howard174: checks
courtiebee: bets $6.50
howard174: raises $19.55 to $26.05 and is all-in
courtiebee:

3)

PokerStars Game #6923483141: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/11/06 - 22:18:26 (ET)
Table 'Pomona' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: courtiebee ($23.55 in chips)
Seat 2: Aerofoil ($23.75 in chips)
Seat 3: mjoo82 ($32.55 in chips)
Seat 4: pada98 ($21 in chips)
Seat 5: Diamond JB ($16.85 in chips)
Seat 6: Wild_Bill_X ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Ransa ($16.15 in chips)
Seat 8: vispila ($79.40 in chips)
Seat 9: amditbwy ($11.05 in chips)
amditbwy: posts small blind $0.10
courtiebee: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to courtiebee [8h Qs]
Aerofoil: folds
mjoo82: folds
pada98: calls $0.25
Diamond JB: folds
Wild_Bill_X: folds
Ransa: folds
vispila: folds
amditbwy: calls $0.15
courtiebee: checks
*** FLOP *** [6s Kd 8c]
amditbwy: checks
courtiebee: checks
pada98: checks
*** TURN *** [6s Kd 8c] [Qh]
amditbwy: bets $0.25
courtiebee: raises $0.75 to $1
pada98: calls $1
amditbwy: folds
*** RIVER *** [6s Kd 8c Qh] [9h]
courtiebee: bets $2
pada98: raises $3 to $5
courtiebee:

4) Is this really bad? Tried to make it look like I was value betting the river. Better to bet the turn? Raise the turn? Just forget about it?

PokerStars Game #6924423924: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/11/06 - 23:20:18 (ET)
Table 'Iphidamas' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: MooseTime ($28.75 in chips)
Seat 3: yo-yo-ma-ta ($60.10 in chips)
Seat 4: Dinostar10 ($24.50 in chips)
Seat 5: courtiebee ($27.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Wild_Bill_X ($32.35 in chips)
Seat 9: dirt13007 ($13.35 in chips)
courtiebee: posts small blind $0.10
Wild_Bill_X: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to courtiebee [8c 8s]
dirt13007: folds
MooseTime: folds
yo-yo-ma-ta: raises $0.75 to $1
Dinostar10: folds
courtiebee: calls $0.90
Wild_Bill_X: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kd 4c 5s]
courtiebee: checks
yo-yo-ma-ta: checks
*** TURN *** [Kd 4c 5s] [9c]
courtiebee: checks
yo-yo-ma-ta: bets $2
courtiebee: calls $2
*** RIVER *** [Kd 4c 5s 9c] [9d]
courtiebee: bets $3

5) Anything I should do differently here?

PokerStars Game #6924446847: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/11/06 - 23:21:57 (ET)
Table 'Apollo 11' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: fiddysent52 ($18 in chips)
Seat 2: andrejk07 ($14 in chips)
Seat 3: gyulez ($7.65 in chips)
Seat 4: bobobdave ($23.15 in chips)
Seat 5: courtiebee ($69.75 in chips)
Seat 6: like 2 cheat ($29.70 in chips)
Seat 7: Eliminator6 ($26.90 in chips)
Seat 8: baldeagle1k ($4.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Cooltrew ($15 in chips)
baldeagle1k: posts small blind $0.10
Cooltrew: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to courtiebee [Kh Qh]
fiddysent52: folds
andrejk07: folds
gyulez: folds
bobobdave: folds
courtiebee: raises $0.75 to $1
like 2 cheat: folds
Eliminator6: calls $1
baldeagle1k: folds
Cooltrew: folds
*** FLOP *** [2d As Kd]
courtiebee: bets $2
Eliminator6: calls $2
*** TURN *** [2d As Kd] [Kc]
courtiebee: checks
Eliminator6: bets $3.50
courtiebee: raises $5.50 to $9
Eliminator6: calls $5.50
*** RIVER *** [2d As Kd Kc] [6c]
courtiebee: bets $8

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Fnord

11-07-2006, 05:06 AM

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Learn to bet big with big money hands on big money streets.

1: I might check/raise this flop with a huge over-bet to be silly. He figures to have hit this often enough.
2: $6 on the turn, your goal here it to get as much money into the pot as possible preferably all-in before the river and $4 usually isn't getting there.
3: Fold
4: Meh, not sure I like the block here. Let him bluff if you think you're good. This looks like KK-99, but it's really easy to look at pre-flop numbers to see how often he's starting with a pair.
5: The whole point behind stack-a-donk is to play for stacks. Shove river.

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mcatdog

11-07-2006, 05:10 AM

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Yeah you need to do a better job of building pots when you have big hands. You should be looking at your opponent's stack and judging what the most likely line is to get all of his money into the center of the pot.

TerryToma

11-07-2006, 05:10 AM

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1) ouch.. horrible river card. when you flop something that great might as well bet at least 1$. People will call 1$ no problem, and it builds the pot a bit quicker. then full pot turn again. possible blocking bet on river.. but as played ok.

2) fold riv. looks like his flushdraw hit a str8. raising pp's preflop makes decisions much easier.

3) crying call

4) not sure what you are representing 2 pr riverd boat?. interesting play though. i think TP still calls you here. i like a c/r in turn better if you dont believe than a c/c river lead.

5) nice turn. the size of river bet is up for discussion, not sure on the best size but 8$ is good if you want TP to call.

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11-07-2006, 05:15 AM

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Quote:

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3) crying call

He checked the flop, cold called the turn and value raised the river. What exactly are we beating here? Are player's lines in this game that random? No idiot read was given and he's not very short.

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Originally Posted by mcatdog

Yeah you need to do a better job of building pots when you have big hands.

She's building the pot, just not closing the deal.

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TerryToma

11-07-2006, 05:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TerryToma

3) crying call

He checked the flop, cold called the turn and value raised the river. What exactly are we beating here? Are player's lines in this game that random? No idiot read was given and he's not very short.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcatdog

Yeah you need to do a better job of building pots when you have big hands.

She's building the pot, just not closing the deal.

ive seen AK play this way often enough. could be 89 or smaller 2 pair as well.. he played the turn like he was drawing.. so i guess his TJ hit.

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donkbee

11-07-2006, 05:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

She's building the pot, just not closing the deal.

So in the KQ hand, that's pushing the river? I wasn't sure what to do in that hand, was most unsure about the river bet. Is the idea that if someone's calling a decent sized bet, he'll call the push?

Are you able to give me any other specific examples?

Thanks again for taking the time, really appreciate the instareplies today

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swiggidy

11-07-2006, 05:46 AM

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hand 1 - standard
hand 2 - raise pre-flop
as played raise flop to $4 (pot is $3 after your call)
as played raise more on turn ~$5 (closer to 3/4 than 1/2 pot)

juicing the pot would make the river an easier call, as played I probably cry and fold

hand 3 - raise more on turn, call river

hand 4 - river bet doesn't really make sense. A high folds, K still calls. Weak K may check behind on river anyway. I like betting $2 on the turn. Then if called a $3 bet on the river is pretty.

hand 5 - overall I like, bet more on turn. Pot is $13, your raise is only $4, I think you could raise to $12-15 and still get a call. You can bet at least 1/2 pot on river

{EDIT: I just realized I've been playing 6max where you can give your opponent less credit for a hand. Not sure how that affects my advice}

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11-07-2006, 08:47 AM

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hand 1) There are so many ways you can play this. If I'm going to lead the flop, I'd probably make it closer to a pot-sized bet. It might not be a bad spot for a big c/r either. If I'm leading the turn as well, I'd make that bet bigger. Again, c/r is an option. Given that you led the flop, I think leading the turn again is the best option. There are at least a couple reasons why I feel this way here. River is unquestionably the worst card in the deck for you.. I don't see what you can really do here besides c/f.

hand 2) preflop doesn't matter much. You could raise, fold, or limp here in similar spots and feel good about all of them. I think limping is probably the best play with a few short stacks on your left. I would try to get more money in on the flop and turn. It seems like you generally bet too little as opposed to the other way around. On the river, I don't know. I'm leaning towards a fold because against most players, I think we can really segregate this into air/monster. You have shown a lot of strength, hence, I think it is a monster more times then not. Plus, nobody gives the backdoor flush draw that hits any credibility, ditto with gutshots and 2 gapped open-enders. 36o, 36hh, 68hh, 45ss, A5ss/A4ss, 36ss, 68ss - something like that. He could also have busted hearts in theory I guess, ditto with something like QJ is he's a maniac.

The real solution is to learn how to pair the board on the river.

3) probably just fold. I hate betting and calling a raise with a weak 2 pair here on the river. Check/call is an option if you think his cold call on the turn means something.

4) uhhhh I don't get it, nor like it.

5) not a bad time to check/call the flop (but only sometimes). On the turn, I think I just lead again, but I also 2 barrel more often then most. I think it's your best bet againt Ax, and you're getting it in against Kx regardless. Ax is obviously more likely as well. As played, just stick the rest in on the river. BTW, to make it clear, I don't hate the turn c/r, I just think firing again makes your hand less transparent...

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