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CrunchyNuts
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10-25-2005, 05:23 AM
Post subject: A hand, for you to poop on
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Flush
Join Date: May 2005
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CO is a fairly strong TAggy player. How do you like my play?
Party Network No-Limit Hold'em, $25 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
UTG ($23.55)
UTG+1 ($28.20)
MP1 ($23.10)
Hero ($26.60)
MP3 ($24.40)
CO ($28.25)
Button ($47.95)
SB ($36.60)
BB ($5)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q , A. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
3 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, 2 folds.
Flop: ($3.35) Q , 9 , A (3 players)
Hero bets $1, CO calls $1, Button calls $1.
Turn: ($6.35) 5 (3 players)
Hero bets $2, CO calls $2, Button folds.
River: ($10.35) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, CO raises to $15, Hero raises AI ($17.60), CO calls $7.60.
Final Pot: $37.95
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ChrisBCritter
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I would've played 99 exactly this way...
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Hey knucklehead! Bonk!
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Fnord
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Bet more on every street. At least half pot.
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r8ed
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4-of-a-Kind
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Bet the pot on the turn to find out what he has.
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CrunchyNuts
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Flush
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So if he calls pot sized on the turn, what have I learned?
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biondino
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This does fit 99 to a tee - or AQ, obviously. Best case scenario for you is AK (or A9? Q9s? I doubt it), but if he's a strong TAgg he's unlikely to slowplay TPTK.
Betting the pot on the turn may incentivise him to re-raise earlier, allowing you to fold if you choose to.
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r8ed
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by CrunchyNuts
So if he calls pot sized on the turn, what have I learned?
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1. If he folds, you win.
2. If he calls, he has a hand that he's not scared of you drawing out on - probably trips. You should play the river very cautiously. I check/call if he doesn't bet too high. Why lose your stack with two pair?
3. If he reraises, he has you beat and you can fold.
In hindsight it's easy for me to say this. I may have done the same thing....I have many times in the past. I think he has trips though.
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CrunchyNuts
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Flush
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Yup, you guys nailed it - I was so hyped that I spiked 2 pair to beat his AK with my AQ that I didn't even consider he might hold 99 - which he did.
Went on to tilt away a substantial amount of money over the weekend, partially due to this hand...cost me way more than my stack. At least I cleared 1500 hands to a bonus.
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mxiu
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Bet the turn more, if he calls, he has you beat, and you don't have to think about putting more money into the pot.
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Fnord
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Am I the only one who thinks this post took a horrible turn towards weak/tight and results-oriented?
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Originally Posted by CrunchyNuts
So if he calls pot sized on the turn, what have I learned?
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You probably have the best hand! Get a bunch of money in the pot. Betting less than 1/3 pot fails miserably towards this end.
You had a big hand out of position and he had a bigger hand with position. It happens.
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Originally Posted by r8ed
3. If he reraises, he has you beat and you can fold.
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If the profile is weak/tight multi-tabling set/AA/KK/QQ/AK camping nit, then yes, you're bet. But we were told solid TAgg.
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CrunchyNuts
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Flush
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Goddamn it Fnord, make up my mind =P
The way the cards fell, the decision has to be made on the flop whether to go to the felt with it or not. I can definatly see the arguements either way...it's a strong hand, but it's only 2 pair...but it's top two pair...but yeeargh!
This all would have been so much easier if he was a nit ;(
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r8ed
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by CrunchyNuts
Yup, you guys nailed it - I was so hyped that I spiked 2 pair to beat his AK with my AQ that I didn't even consider he might hold 99 - which he did.
Went on to tilt away a substantial amount of money over the weekend, partially due to this hand...cost me way more than my stack. At least I cleared 1500 hands to a bonus.
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Those hands hurt so much more than the donk chasing a flush against all odds and hitting on the river against you.
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CrunchyNuts
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Flush
Join Date: May 2005
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AA cracked by K7o on a K73 flop after a strong PFR hurt quite a bit too.
What a crappy weekend...thankfully yesterday was a pretty nice rebound =)
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TalentedTom
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Toronto
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I go broke here for as high as 150bb's , i dont care weather its a TIGHT or LAG there are so many hands I dominate that would call this flop that I dont mind. Your raising is VERY PASSIVE and meaninless, probe bet after probe bet into overbet... zzz
When you hit a monster like this, keep betting pot sized Minumim.
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Tom.S
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r8ed
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Originally Posted by CrunchyNuts
AA cracked by K7o on a K73 flop after a strong PFR hurt quite a bit too.
What a crappy weekend...thankfully yesterday was a pretty nice rebound =)
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I had a crappy past week as well up until yesterday. Several people I talked to had a rough one last week for some reason. I recouped some yesterday and more today despite some funny suckouts. You can only laugh sometimes. Just variance.
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dsaxton
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Sometimes I like to check-raise the turn in these situations so I can build the pot more than I would've likely been able to by leading out. This is especially effective against passive players who will hold onto any ace the whole way no matter how big of a hand I represent.
You might've slowed down a little bit on the river. When he calls you on the flop, he's indicating he has some sort of a made hand, since I wouldn't expect him to be chasing an inside straight draw if he is a tight player. His likely holdings at that point are probably A-J, A-K, A-Q (less likely) Q-Q (less likely) or 9-9 (less likely, but more likely than Q-Q) since he called a preflop raise. If he's a decent player, Q-Q and 9-9 are the only hands consistent with the river raise after calling every street, and so you should probably just call. This seems like a pretty typical line that fish and average players like to use with sets.
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