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Reidak
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05-22-2009, 01:53 AM
Post subject: Hand from live $1/2 game
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Flush
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 566
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I have about $1200, villian has me nearly covered.
Preflop with QT in mp, I make it $6, vil makes it $22, random player calls and I call. Flop 6h Kh Js. I check, vil bets 35, random folds I call. Turn is 9c. I bet 82 villian calls. Pot is $300. River blanks like a 4 or something.
We have roughly 1K each behind. Vil has been hitting alot of hands, playing kind of spewy/not caring with shorter stacks but has more of less been avoiding playing in pots with me. He has cold called a bunch of my preflop raises and folded when I cbet most of the time.
What should I be betting on the river here? My thinking was that he would probably muck alot of top pair mid kickers with from my turn bet because he would be in a tough spot if i bet the river big, so I felt he might have some kind of two pair / set type hand but didnt want to raise me on the turn to control the pot size.
What should I be betting on the river?
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mxiu
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Full House
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c/r turn, as played bet 200 on the river
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Fnord
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Fold pre-flop.
Bet more on the turn, at least 200 on the river.
Is it normal to play this deep?
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Extremophile
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Flush
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ask your opponent. he knows the truth.
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etsocaL
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lol...sounds quite easy =)
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ZwiFT
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Full House
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c/c turn c/r river imo
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Fnord
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Just wanted to add, that check/raising a nut hand this deep is pretty silly.
Check/raising the turn has a sick amount of implied threat.
River isn't going to get value bet by one pair often enough by most live players.
I like a turn bet/3-bet line. Maximizes the range of hands that give action on the turn and makes it less awkward to lead the river.
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Reidak
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Flush
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Toronto
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Also check raising the turn takes out missed flush draws from my range.
As played, I bet 225 on the river and he folded AK face up after thinking for a few minutes. A few players not in the hand were saying I missed the flush draw and nice bluff. I didn't show my hand.
Like I said before I was thinking he was more likely to have a set / 2 pair type hand there more often than top pair. I didn't think he would call 80 with just top pair on the turn
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Fnord
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Ni Han.
Hard to get a big bet call out of one pair on the river sometimes.
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Reidak
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Flush
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Toronto
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thats the thing. i made my bet fairly quickly but i did the rough math, i just guessed one pair type hands were there 20-25% of the time, and two pair / set type hands were there 80-75% of the time. (dont hate on the math, i thought this and bet within like 15 seconds)
that being said, if I knew he had AK i would have bet smaller.. long run though i feel my bet sizing was okay.
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