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Old 03-23-2010, 02:53 AM     Post subject: A hand I played horribly - QQ in bb 50NL #1 (permalink)  
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 Woah title fail--> 50NL and I'm in the sb

Ok well this hand had me saying wtf am I doing so I thought I would post it to receive some beratement/advice etc.

EP opener is 19/5 over 21
Button is 14/12 over a good sample with an 8% 3Bet on the button
Main villain (MP2) was 39/4 over like an orbit and a half

He was the last person in this pot who I thought would flat my 4Bet, but I guess he could be flatting with like KK+ originally.

How bad is 4B'ing here? Is standard just flatting the 3B and keeping the likely fish in the pot?

On the flop I just froze cause I had no idea what the hell was going on, I thought the likely-hood he was flatting monsters was pretty high but how can I fold to the small flop bet? should I bet/fold?

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UTG ($132.70)
UTG+1 ($69.65)
MP1 ($29.25)
MP2 ($71.20)
CO ($50)
Button ($39.75)
Hero (SB) ($76.45)
BB ($19.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with ,
2 folds, MP1 bets $1.50, MP2 calls $1.50, 1 fold, Button raises to $6, Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, MP2 calls $12.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($36) , , (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50

Turn: ($47) (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $27.50, Hero folds

Total pot: $47 | Rake: $2.25

Results:
MP2 didn't show
Outcome: MP2 won $44.75


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Old 03-23-2010, 03:38 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 fold?call? > 4bet. 4bet really bad.

can't decide which I like better but I'd lean towards fold err, fk I dunno this spot is gay because the button can be squeezing really wide here given both players are weak however the guy who opened the pot is really tight when it comes to open raising....interested in hearing others thoughts on this.

edit: okay this is def a fold.
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Old 03-23-2010, 07:06 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 his range preflop is so wide

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Old 03-23-2010, 07:08 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 his hand screams kqc


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fold?call? > 4bet. 4bet really bad.

can't decide which I like better but I'd lean towards fold err, fk I dunno this spot is gay because the button can be squeezing really wide here given both players are weak however the guy who opened the pot is really tight when it comes to open raising....interested in hearing others thoughts on this.

edit: okay this is def a fold.
vs an 8% 3bettor isolating at least one fish i don't understand why we need to fold QQ?
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Old 03-23-2010, 08:32 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 + it's a 21 hand sample size we have for the 19/5 who opened.
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 If he is just some random, bet flop and shove turn
 
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Old 03-23-2010, 04:54 PM #8 (permalink)  
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i fold QQ here preflop most of the time. Its not like SB vs BB vs BT&CO situation. 4 bet/ get it in preflop is not as profitable as you expect in these marginal spots. As played, i bet/get it in not folding anywhere in this hand.In live games, i'm more inclined to fold QQ BTW.
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Old 03-23-2010, 05:53 PM #9 (permalink)  
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It's a bit smaller than I would make this pre, how is this not the easiest flop bet ever?
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fold?call? > 4bet. 4bet really bad.

can't decide which I like better but I'd lean towards fold err, fk I dunno this spot is gay because the button can be squeezing really wide here given both players are weak however the guy who opened the pot is really tight when it comes to open raising....interested in hearing others thoughts on this.

edit: okay this is def a fold.
lol, how is this 4b really bad?
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Old 03-23-2010, 06:21 PM #11 (permalink)  
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i fold QQ here preflop most of the time. Its not like SB vs BB vs BT&CO situation. 4 bet/ get it in preflop is not as profitable as you expect in these marginal spots. As played, i bet/get it in not folding anywhere in this hand.In live games, i'm more inclined to fold QQ BTW.
THISSSSSSSSSSSS

so much lack of positional awareness itt. also wtf does 8% 3bet in LP mean? like 2/24 opportunities?

the fact that the opener 'seems tight' (hard to really justify this but he's not 80/80 so far) would probably make the 3bettor a bit more cautious squeezing JJ here.

one more point to consider, there are 3 players left to act after you 4bet, the guy who called the PFR isn't really a consideration, but you have to keep in mind the likelyhood of the PFR having you crushed when you raise here.

you guys also aren't really giving villain much credit for calling our 4bet.
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THISSSSSSSSSSSS

so much lack of positional awareness itt. also wtf does 8% 3bet in LP mean? like 2/24 opportunities?

the fact that the opener 'seems tight' (hard to really justify this but he's not 80/80 so far) would probably make the 3bettor a bit more cautious squeezing JJ here.

one more point to consider, there are 3 players left to act after you 4bet, the guy who called the PFR isn't really a consideration, but you have to keep in mind the likelyhood of the PFR having you crushed when you raise here.

you guys also aren't really giving villain much credit for calling our 4bet.
the guy who called the 4b is the guy who called this initial pfr.
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Old 03-23-2010, 07:01 PM #13 (permalink)  
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the guy who called the 4b is the guy who called this initial pfr.

looooooooooool then bet flop and shove turn.
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Old 03-23-2010, 07:32 PM #14 (permalink)  
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 yah makes sense now... at least I learnded from this trainwreck of a hand, why do I give randoms so much credit? leeaakkk


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looooooooooool then bet flop and shove turn.
lol, wondered why you were posting terribad advice
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Old 03-23-2010, 09:04 PM #16 (permalink)  
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lol, wondered why you were posting terribad advice

Nah he was j/j, it's a Canadian thing


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Old 03-23-2010, 11:36 PM #17 (permalink)  
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 so is a loose consensus here that 4betting pre<calling, but as played bet/get it in on this flop?
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