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Fnord

10-27-2005, 02:28 PM Post subject: The hand after I busted the short stack.

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SB ($95.30)
BB ($133)
UTG ($129.45)
UTG+1 ($83.55)
MP1 ($124.35)
MP2 ($15)
Fnord ($129.60)
CO ($106.15)
Button ($111.40)

Preflop: Fnord is MP3 with Q

, Q

.
3 folds, MP2 calls $1, Fnord raises to $3, 4 folds, MP2 calls $2.

Flop: ($7.50) 9

, 7

(2 players)
MP2 checks, Fnord bets $5, MP2 raises to $12, Fnord calls $7.

Turn: ($31.50) T

(2 players)

River: ($31.50) T

(2 players)

Final Pot: $31.50

Results in white below:
MP2 has 4h 4d (two pair, tens and sevens).
Fnord has Qh Qd (two pair, queens and tens).
Outcome: Fnord wins $31.50.

The very next hand:

UTG is pretty bad.
CO isn't as bad and probably has at least something purdy.
Blinds are nits.

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Button ($94.80)
SB ($132)
BB ($129.45)
UTG ($83.55)
UTG+1 ($124.35)
Fnord ($144.55)
MP2 ($106.15)
CO ($111.40)

Preflop: Fnord is MP1 with 8

, 8

.
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Fnord raises to $3, 1 fold, CO calls $3, 3 folds, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($10.50) J

, K

, 6

(3 players)
UTG checks, Fnord checks, CO bets $1, UTG calls $1, Fnord folds...

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arkana

10-27-2005, 02:38 PM

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Why no continuation bet?

Fnord

10-27-2005, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by arkana

Why no continuation bet?

Really ugly board for 88 and a good board for hands that play like that pre-flop. Plus it felt right at the time. I'm playing enough hands that I pick a few to just check/fold and this looked like a good spot to do that.

If I was certain it was the right play I wouldn't have posted it...

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10-27-2005, 03:02 PM

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Surely with 12.5:1 pot odds here its worth taking another card and chasing the 8?

If a heart, T or 9 comes out you can be worried, but...

Don't understand the fold - are you thinking that even if you hit your set you are already beat?

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10-27-2005, 03:05 PM

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Quote:

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Surely with 12.5:1 pot odds here its worth taking another card and chasing the 8?

I could hit an 8 and still lose as it puts a straight out and half the time it would put out a 3rd heart. I hated folding to a silly 1xBB bet and really hoped I could fold out to something with more meat on it, but I was done with the hand.

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arkana

10-27-2005, 03:06 PM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by arkana

Why no continuation bet?

Fair enough. I either continuation bet or check fold like you did. Depends on how tight these guys are on the flop.

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10-27-2005, 03:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

I could hit an 8 and still lose as it puts a straight out and half the time it would put out a 3rd heart.

True about the heart but i don't get the straight...

6 - 8 - - J - K -

straight draws become live... 9T / 79 for OESD and TQ/7T for gutshot... but they're not calling a $3 raise very often, are they?

But yeah, i know what you mean about the "there is no way i am putting more money in the pot" feeling here

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10-27-2005, 03:18 PM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

I could hit an 8 and still lose as it puts a straight out and half the time it would put out a 3rd heart.

True about the heart but i don't get the straight...

6 - 8 - - J - K -

Yeah, misread. I was already at fold when I checked and didn't see the 8

.

The results for this hand are pretty funny.

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arkana

10-27-2005, 03:20 PM

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Why would having the 8 of hearts make such a big difference?

Fnord

10-27-2005, 03:23 PM

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Quote:

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Why would having the 8 of hearts make such a big difference?

Gives any heart a flush re-draw. Puts me in a weird spot wanting to put it all in, but having lots of hands that beat me. If I'm gonna draw to a 2 outer, I want clean outs! lol

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10-27-2005, 04:04 PM

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So you really didn't believe you had enough fold equity to get heavy? I mean it looks strange enough for you to check the flop, and these guys are playing scared. It seems you have a check raise option to rep a very powerful hand.

I really don't mind your choice, but when my opponents act that way, either they're trapping or I have a boat load of fold equity.

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Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

Fnord

10-27-2005, 04:15 PM

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So here's the rub I have with continuation bets. If I bet every flop every time, even the most dim-witted opponents will pick up on it. It makes me a really easy check/raise bitch and makes it correct to play back at me a lot. Also, I know this so when they do play back at me I tend to give them less credit. Granted, they might be so horrible that none of this applies and I could just blast away...

Anyway, that leaves me picking some spots to check when I'm expected to bet. My last session (~300 hands) I went with this hand, the steal vs camper and an AKs hand with 2 broadways on the board and a backdoor flush (lots of outs, maybe best hand, can't call a c/r, textbook check behind.)

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Fnord

10-27-2005, 06:53 PM

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For the results oriented:

UTG had 66
CO had JJ

They danced a little on the turn then stuck it all in on the river. That summer job working for Mrs Cleo saved me some money here...

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