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Old 06-10-2006, 11:28 PM     Post subject: haha s*%t! #1 (permalink)  
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Opp is 57/17 over 100 hands
Villain $130
Miff $99

Dealt to Miff :Jd: :Jh:

Preflop
Villain raises to $1.5 (UTG) Miff (button) reraises to $4.5, Villain calls.

Flop
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Villain checks, Miff bets $8, Villain calls $8

Turn

Villain checks, Miff bets $12 Villain Calls.

River

Villain checks, Miff bets $10 Villain raises to $30 Miff reraises all in Villain calls.

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Old 06-10-2006, 11:53 PM #2 (permalink)  
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check behind on river?

turn card is very scary, and you should probably just show this down.

why did u bet less on the river than on the turn, to try to initiate a bluff, because your bet shows weakness
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Old 06-10-2006, 11:58 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Hmm.. I'm only calling this reraise and I'm not even sure I'd lead out with a bet on the river. Probably check/call here.

However, your play can be fine with a read but without one it's just a call no? Any flush or silly gappers could have you in a tough spot. I can't think of any hand that you beat that a decent villain would 3-pop you on river with either than a missed draw, in which case you're getting the most value by calling anyway.

Maybe explain your thought process?
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Old 06-11-2006, 12:00 AM     Post subject: Ugh #4 (permalink)  
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Ugh I misread the hand. Didn't notice your position and that he checked it to you on river. That does indeed change everything. Your river bet is interesting because it's screaming weak. I still just call the reraise though.

But I take back the check/call crap I said.
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Old 06-11-2006, 12:16 AM #5 (permalink)  
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57/17 fish don't check rivers with nut flushes.
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Old 06-11-2006, 01:23 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 river bet is value not weak.
Consider my point, villain raises preflop. $1.5 is his standard raise so could be anything from a pp to AQ.
Yes, the flush completes on the turn but i reraised preflop so opp has to have a fairly limited range, not any two but not so tight as to just be AA-TT either.
Opp has called me down on a flop and turn that probably didnt hit me that great with AK/AQ or AA-QQ it hit JJ-Tt though. Thus when we get to the river, if opp has anything but the flush hes going to c/r me so thats why i pushed, the only thing i dont beat that would call me down is a flush which i couldnt put my opp on. I could very much put him on a set of 8s or tens here or even AA-QQ.
My question is, what actually beats me here that i dont value push the river with? I beat anythong that beats my perceived range or AA-QQ here.

Btw my turn bet was to not alow a free card/kill odds of opp possibly drawing to a 4flush high card and also to control the pot. If i'd checked here and opp just open pushed the river i have to fold, something im not doing.
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Old 06-11-2006, 03:15 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
river bet is value not weak.
Consider my point, villain raises preflop. $1.5 is his standard raise so could be anything from a pp to AQ.
Yes, the flush completes on the turn but i reraised preflop so opp has to have a fairly limited range, not any two but not so tight as to just be AA-TT either.
Opp has called me down on a flop and turn that probably didnt hit me that great with AK/AQ or AA-QQ it hit JJ-Tt though. Thus when we get to the river, if opp has anything but the flush hes going to c/r me so thats why i pushed, the only thing i dont beat that would call me down is a flush which i couldnt put my opp on. I could very much put him on a set of 8s or tens here or even AA-QQ.
My question is, what actually beats me here that i dont value push the river with? I beat anythong that beats my perceived range or AA-QQ here.

Btw my turn bet was to not alow a free card/kill odds of opp possibly drawing to a 4flush high card and also to control the pot. If i'd checked here and opp just open pushed the river i have to fold, something im not doing.
To me, his line says trip 8's, trip T's or...a big flush (Ajs/AQs). Given his looseness, I call this. But, hey, I don't like to fold much on the river.
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Old 06-11-2006, 03:18 PM #8 (permalink)  
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river bet is value not weak.
Consider my point, villain raises preflop. $1.5 is his standard raise so could be anything from a pp to AQ.
Yes, the flush completes on the turn but i reraised preflop so opp has to have a fairly limited range, not any two but not so tight as to just be AA-TT either.
Opp has called me down on a flop and turn that probably didnt hit me that great with AK/AQ or AA-QQ it hit JJ-Tt though. Thus when we get to the river, if opp has anything but the flush hes going to c/r me so thats why i pushed, the only thing i dont beat that would call me down is a flush which i couldnt put my opp on. I could very much put him on a set of 8s or tens here or even AA-QQ.
My question is, what actually beats me here that i dont value push the river with? I beat anythong that beats my perceived range or AA-QQ here.

Btw my turn bet was to not alow a free card/kill odds of opp possibly drawing to a 4flush high card and also to control the pot. If i'd checked here and opp just open pushed the river i have to fold, something im not doing.
To me, his line says trip 8's, trip T's or...a big flush (Ajs/AQs). Given his looseness, I call this. But, hey, I don't like to fold much on the river.
This is exactlymy line of thinking, id be interested in how the math figures out im up against a flush here and the ev. I think my push is good value but thats my opinion.
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