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Seasider
Old 10-17-2005, 08:39 PM     Post subject: The guy so bad I had to own him twice (low content) #1 (permalink)  
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Sorry low content but after my horrific run of late just nice to post something going right!


PokerStars Game #2826777004: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/10/17 - 16:31:46 (ET)
Table 'Lacrimosa' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Grace Note ($31.75 in chips)
Seat 2: Vaillant ($28.45 in chips)
Seat 3: marvie67 ($15.60 in chips)
Seat 4: z8h4k9 ($26.65 in chips)
Seat 5: Skuteris22 ($5.35 in chips)
Seat 6: bach0014 ($8.50 in chips)
Grace Note: posts small blind $0.10
Vaillant: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Grace Note [Qs Ac]
marvie67: folds
z8h4k9: folds
marvie67 leaves the table
Skuteris22 has timed out
Skuteris22: folds
Skuteris22 is sitting out
bach0014: calls $0.25
Grace Note: raises $0.50 to $0.75
Vaillant: calls $0.50
bach0014: folds
*** FLOP *** [Tc Qd Kc]
Grace Note: bets $0.75
Vaillant: calls $0.75
*** TURN *** [Tc Qd Kc] [Qc]
Grace Note: checks
Vaillant: bets $0.50
Grace Note: raises $0.50 to $1
Vaillant: calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [Tc Qd Kc Qc] [5c]
Grace Note: bets $1
Vaillant: raises $24.95 to $25.95 and is all-in
Grace Note: calls $24.95
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Vaillant: shows [Ad Td] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
Grace Note: shows [Qs Ac] (a flush, Ace high)
Grace Note collected $54.35 from pot
Grace Note said, "sorry"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $57.15 | Rake $2.80
Board [Tc Qd Kc Qc 5c]
Seat 1: Grace Note (small blind) showed [Qs Ac] and won ($54.35) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: Vaillant (big blind) showed [Ad Td] and lost with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 3: marvie67 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: z8h4k9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Skuteris22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: bach0014 (button) folded before Flop
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Old 10-17-2005, 08:53 PM     Post subject: Re: The guy so bad I had to own him twice (low content) #2 (permalink)  
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Sorry low content but after my horrific run of late just nice to post something going right!
Your horrific run of late may have a lot to do with what you display here. Your river call is a long term losing one. I know that sounds weird, but most of the time when someone pushes really hard on the river after you show turn aggression on a board like that you're beat. You probably had a maniac read on the guy, so your call here was ok I guess. I guarantee you if I ever pushed the river like that after you raised the turn... a) I think you have a queen or a straight, and b) I have 55 TT KK KQ QT or J9 AJ.

Did you know that many hands were ahead of you when you called?
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Old 10-17-2005, 09:25 PM     Post subject: Re: The guy so bad I had to own him twice (low content) #3 (permalink)  
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Did you know that many hands were ahead of you when you called?
NL Playas don't pay attention to that math stuff or putting people on hands

As weird as the river play was, the turn play has me wondering WTF is the hero trying to do besides make a cute play?
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Old 10-17-2005, 09:30 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Lucky he wasnt you then, thanks 4 feedback. I appreciate that when the board pairs a flush can be a sucker hand. I think if he had hit full house on flop or turn he would have gotten more greedy and pushed back more. if he had flopped 2 pair he would have raised me there (probably). Thats why I bet 75c its enough that it scares off people who arnt holding (normally) but isnt enough for people with big hands. he calls so I put him on K and am actually ready to let go until hello Q on turn. We are heads up what are odds he has other Q, pretty low. I check to see where he goes and he throws out small bet, maby K, I raise and he calls. Maby he has Q but no re-raise so probably not. Four flush on turn and crazy bet from him. I dont think he has 2 pair on flop so I am left with 55 and I dont think he would still be there with that. Also if he had full house he would probably value bet not thump all i had been playing pretty tight. He has KJclubs - call

Also as it doesnt count for much as bad players can get good hands he really wasnt that good, any club was a possability. I just didnt feel a full in my gut this time normally at 25 you get these bets raising you weakly begging you to call, didnt happen on the turn or river.

Or maby I just lucked out

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Old 10-17-2005, 09:52 PM #5 (permalink)  
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you gain no info when you min raise on the turn, you should never min raise, he is stupid for not seeing the check min raise as strength
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Old 10-17-2005, 09:56 PM #6 (permalink)  
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you gain no info when you min raise on the turn, you should never min raise, he is stupid for not seeing the check min raise as strength
2 out of 3 isn't bad.
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Old 10-17-2005, 10:51 PM     Post subject: Re: The guy so bad I had to own him twice (low content) #7 (permalink)  
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b) I have 55 TT KK KQ QT or J9 AJ.

Did you know that many hands were ahead of you when you called?
Not to be a jerk, but J9 and AJ aren't ahead here (save for Jc 9c).

That said, it's still sound advice to be weary on the river here. I'd likely cry and call - depending on read. Either that or get some info on the turn, that'd be awful helpful. Probably wouldn't have underbet the river so drastically as well - he was probably just playing at the weakness you showed there...which would be a good trap if you were sure to be ahead.
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Old 10-18-2005, 04:46 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Every time I've ever called that bet, I was beat.

Every time I made that bet and was called, I busted the Ac.
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Old 10-18-2005, 06:31 PM     Post subject: Re: The guy so bad I had to own him twice (low content) #9 (permalink)  
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b) I have 55 TT KK KQ QT or J9 AJ.

Did you know that many hands were ahead of you when you called?
Not to be a jerk, but J9 and AJ aren't ahead here (save for Jc 9c).

That said, it's still sound advice to be weary on the river here. I'd likely cry and call - depending on read. Either that or get some info on the turn, that'd be awful helpful. Probably wouldn't have underbet the river so drastically as well - he was probably just playing at the weakness you showed there...which would be a good trap if you were sure to be ahead.
You're not a jerk at all. I'm a jerk for not realizing the board was four suited and he had an Ace of suit
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Old 10-18-2005, 07:26 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Well you and villan have something in common then! (joke) But seriously I was thinking about this hand today in my dull dull work and 55 could well have been there at 25NL. I think I probably could have chosen a better spot to play a big hand with him; patience is a problem for me.
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