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Old 04-05-2006, 11:06 AM     Post subject: Great result but ... #1 (permalink)  
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in retrospect I think I played it very poorly. Considered folding to the postflop re-raise, fearing an overset. When I decided to continue though, I think I should have pushed right there rather than call and pushed the turn?

Also, what range do you put villian on ... player had just joined table, but I had some previous PT on him, he was a reasonably tight player not likely to raise with any two early in his session.

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Button ($13.12)
SB ($7.96)
BB ($1.93)
UTG ($15.30)
UTG+1 ($7.11)
MP1 ($10.82)
MP2 ($5.66)
MP3 ($3.12)
Hero ($9.64)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4, 4.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05, SB raises to $0.15, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, MP3 calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10.

Flop: ($0.80) 4, 7, T (5 players)
SB bets $0.5, UTG+1 folds, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $1, Button folds, SB raises to $1.5, Hero calls $0.50.

Turn: ($3.80) Q (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero raises to $7.99, SB calls $5.31 (All-In).

River: ($18.10) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $18.10
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Old 04-05-2006, 11:34 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I would re-raise the flop again (another $2 or so), he seems to like his hand. Then push the turn if just he just calls the re-raise and hope he has AA-JJ. Would he raise preflop with TT here? Maybe, but I think you will have to pay that off.
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Old 04-05-2006, 11:46 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 I think you actually did just fine here. Reraise on the flop is the first thing that came to mind.. but with a pretty much assured winner that is rather imperceptible, you can drag it out for a bigger assurance your opponent is gonna give up his stack.
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Old 04-05-2006, 12:08 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I like how you played this. I don't see a typical player 3-betting out of position with the flush draw. One change is that you should raise more than the min on the flop. There's a slider bar for a reason
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Old 04-05-2006, 12:54 PM #5 (permalink)  
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One change is that you should raise more than the min on the flop. There's a slider bar for a reason
This is actually the main and most common mistake I see the 10NL folks make. A min-reraise, a low weak bet (or a huge out-of-proportion one, but that's another story) so as to hopefully not discourage you etc. If I get a minraise like that, it's basically my opponent telling me "hey I think I actually have a better hand than you." And at the same time "but I'm not gonna make it pricy for you to prove me wrong or chase your outs or anything like that." Makes it all the much easier to minimalize my losses and maximize my profits there.
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Old 04-05-2006, 02:18 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Definitely make your first raise more than a minraise.

I'd call the three-bet if he still three bets, and try to get it all in on the turn.

If you got the money in behind here, don't sweat it. The only poor play was pricing in a flush draw on the flop.
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Old 04-06-2006, 09:18 AM #7 (permalink)  
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OK, point taken on the flop raise. This is a weakness of mine, I seem to make this mistake a few times. I'll definitely work on it. Thanks as always for the help.
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Old 04-06-2006, 01:39 PM     Post subject: Re: Great result but ... #8 (permalink)  
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Considered folding to the postflop re-raise, fearing an overset.
No this is horrible thinking. You should never ever ever ever ever ever (99.99% of the time) be worried about an over set. It happens so infrequently that you should just pay it off. If you don't you'll just be costing yourself money against people who overplay top pair or vs 2 pair. There are only 3 or 4 regulars at Party 200NL that I would ever consider laying down bottom set to and it would have to be because of a long series of raises and re raises on the flop with something like 200 big blind stacks.
 
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Old 04-06-2006, 06:26 PM     Post subject: Re: Great result but ... #9 (permalink)  

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Considered folding to the postflop re-raise, fearing an overset.
No this is horrible thinking. You should never ever ever ever ever ever (99.99% of the time) be worried about an over set. It happens so infrequently that you should just pay it off. If you don't you'll just be costing yourself money against people who overplay top pair or vs 2 pair. There are only 3 or 4 regulars at Party 200NL that I would ever consider laying down bottom set to and it would have to be because of a long series of raises and re raises on the flop with something like 200 big blind stacks.
Well, I agree with this, even after losing set overs 3x in a row....all for stacks. QQ set over JJ set twice.

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Old 04-06-2006, 06:39 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I don't remember the last time I lost to set over set. I think I was playing Omaha though
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Old 04-06-2006, 07:08 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I've stacked like four people this week with set over set, and lost with it zero times. I love positive variance.
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